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Old 10-04-2012, 06:59 PM   #16861
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If the speed limit is posted, and he's not hiding behind something man-made,,,NOT a TRAP.
If it's an artificially low speed limit, it IS a speed trap! The speed limit at the Gap was NOT set by a traffic survey. We're talking about a road with no intersecting roads, no driveways, no anything.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:01 PM   #16862
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Seems to be a cult Big Wheel® downhill thing on the Dragon.
That looks fucking fun as shit, and a bit more stable than the normal big wheels
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:10 PM   #16863
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Dug through the blog's directory to get a differnet looky at this thang:



Seems to be a cult Big Wheel® downhill thing on the Dragon.
What no linky? Inquiring minds want to know more about it but are too lazy to search.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:14 PM   #16864
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The speed limit at the Gap was NOT set by a traffic survey. We're talking about a road with no intersecting roads, no driveways, no anything.
So seems like it's been set by the frequency of accidents. Yup, the more speed-related accidents the more the authorities want to lower the speed limit. And there are PLENTY of accidents resulting from people going faster than their skill level allows. As demonstrated on this thread. Since they can't administer road tests to everyone entering the area, instead they lower the speed limit.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:15 PM   #16865
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....What happens when a deer steps out, or worse yet a bear?
Duck and go under. The deer at least.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:32 PM   #16866
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So seems like it's been set by the frequency of accidents. Yup, the more speed-related accidents the more the authorities want to lower the speed limit. And there are PLENTY of accidents resulting from people going faster than their skill level allows. As demonstrated on this thread. Since they can't administer road tests to everyone entering the area, instead they lower the speed limit.
Most of the accidents aren't due to excessive speed.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:49 PM   #16867
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Most of the accidents aren't due to excessive speed.
And people will speed no matter the posted speed limit.

Sean McMillan, the Marine that died last weekend on the KTM, went into a decreasing radius corner (that has claimed many bikes) a little too hot, got on the brakes hard with a bit too much rear, which made him step out and hit the dirt berm and then the rail. He went over, broke some branches way up in the trees, then fell about 70ft. Some SMJ friends helped put him in the ambulance.

The usual Harley low-sides aren't from excessive speed, as they'll scrub at a walking pace, but the spectacular ones are usually speed related...
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:04 PM   #16868
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Most of the accidents aren't due to excessive speed.
Maybe, but I bet the speed is excessive for those that crash.

How would you propose to control the accident rate, if speed lowering is not an option?

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Old 10-04-2012, 08:07 PM   #16869
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Being left of center, having to slam on the brakes, leaning too far so that you lowside, braking too hard in a corner...


These are all caused by excessive speed. Too fast for the rider, the road, the bike, or conditions. It only takes one of those to get you.

Slowing down is a terrific way to stay alive and uninjured.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:10 PM   #16870
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Being left of center, having to slam on the brakes, leaning too far so that you lowside, braking too hard in a corner...


These are all caused by excessive speed. Too fast for the rider, the road, the bike, or conditions. It only takes one of those to get you.

Slowing down is a terrific way to stay alive and uninjured.
But lowering speed limits won't slow down the ones that speed anyway, but it may slow down the rolling roadblocks, so they'll just run up on them quicker...
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:25 PM   #16871
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Maybe, but I bet the speed is excessive for those that crash.

How would you propose to control the accident rate, if speed lowering is not an option?

Jim
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:30 PM   #16872
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But lowering speed limits won't slow down the ones that speed anyway, but it may slow down the rolling roadblocks, so they'll just run up on them quicker...
Oh, I'm not talking about speed limits. Just the general need to slow down on that road.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:52 PM   #16873
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Don't.

The Dragon is a miracle of natural selection.

Some people are tested and found wanting.
I'm all for that!

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Old 10-04-2012, 09:03 PM   #16874
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Please define "speed TRAP"..........
I believe "speed trap" is..... traditionally (perhaps universally)..... understood to mean a cop..... excuse me..... a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER..... using a speed detection device (radar or lidar)..... to determine the miles per hour at which any given vehicle is traveling. Though there's usually an implication of "entrapment"..... meaning somehow the operator of the detection device lured the operator of any given vehicle into committing a criminal act (in this case exceeding the posted speed limit)..... as the word "trap" in itself has a definition of "something by which one is caught or stopped unawares"..... speed trap..... as far as language goes..... is a perfectly correct expression.

The only people whom ever seem to be offended by the term "speed trap" are cops..... forgive me again..... are LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. Rather than nitpicking over citizens' word choices..... maybe they should direct their vitriol at all the policemen who are so easily swayed by fluttering eyelashes?

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Old 10-04-2012, 09:13 PM   #16875
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What no linky? Inquiring minds want to know more about it but are too lazy to search.
Lazy is right!

Linky to the pics shown here: http://fiascofarm.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/bosb-08/

More about the Big Wheel® event and "race prep": http://fiascofarm.com/blog/2010/09/b...rprise-ending/

I got crappy wi-fi at this hotel I'm at, so slow-hard to search...but there's enuf there to get one started!
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