Killboy failure Dragon Fest

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by thetable

Most of the accidents aren't due to excessive speed.

Maybe, but I bet the speed is excessive for those that crash.

How would you propose to control the accident rate, if speed lowering is not an option?

Jim

[UnsureFooting]

Being left of center, having to slam on the brakes, leaning too far so that you lowside, braking too hard in a corner...


These are all caused by excessive speed. Too fast for the rider, the road, the bike, or conditions. It only takes one of those to get you.

Slowing down is a terrific way to stay alive and uninjured.

[RDTCU]

Originally Posted by UnsureFooting

Being left of center, having to slam on the brakes, leaning too far so that you lowside, braking too hard in a corner...


These are all caused by excessive speed. Too fast for the rider, the road, the bike, or conditions. It only takes one of those to get you.

Slowing down is a terrific way to stay alive and uninjured.

But lowering speed limits won't slow down the ones that speed anyway, but it may slow down the rolling roadblocks, so they'll just run up on them quicker...

[AZbiker]

Originally Posted by JimVonBaden

Maybe, but I bet the speed is excessive for those that crash.

How would you propose to control the accident rate, if speed lowering is not an option?

Jim

Don't.

The Dragon is a miracle of natural selection.

Some people are tested and found wanting.

[UnsureFooting]

Originally Posted by RDTCU

But lowering speed limits won't slow down the ones that speed anyway, but it may slow down the rolling roadblocks, so they'll just run up on them quicker...

Oh, I'm not talking about speed limits. Just the general need to slow down on that road.

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by AZbiker

Don't.

The Dragon is a miracle of natural selection.

Some people are tested and found wanting.

I'm all for that!

Jim

[Wench On Wheels]

Originally Posted by Al Goodwin

Please define "speed TRAP"..........

I believe "speed trap" is..... traditionally (perhaps universally)..... understood to mean a cop..... excuse me..... a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER..... using a speed detection device (radar or lidar)..... to determine the miles per hour at which any given vehicle is traveling. Though there's usually an implication of "entrapment"..... meaning somehow the operator of the detection device lured the operator of any given vehicle into committing a criminal act (in this case exceeding the posted speed limit)..... as the word "trap" in itself has a definition of "something by which one is caught or stopped unawares"..... speed trap..... as far as language goes..... is a perfectly correct expression.

The only people whom ever seem to be offended by the term "speed trap" are cops..... forgive me again..... are LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. Rather than nitpicking over citizens' word choices..... maybe they should direct their vitriol at all the policemen who are so easily swayed by fluttering eyelashes?

Obligatory photo.....

[RAGBrian]

Originally Posted by jgiacobbe

What no linky? Inquiring minds want to know more about it but are too lazy to search.

Lazy is right!

Linky to the pics shown here: http://fiascofarm.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/bosb-08/

More about the Big Wheel® event and "race prep": http://fiascofarm.com/blog/2010/09/b...rprise-ending/

I got crappy wi-fi at this hotel I'm at, so slow-hard to search...but there's enuf there to get one started!

[100mpg]

I am pretty sure this is the funniest thing I will see all day.

Originally Posted by Gummee!

I'm not quite sure WTF this thing is, but there's too many wheels, so fail

M

[schaffer40]

Adult sized Big Wheels..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkEdcR0D1E4

[deputy963]

Originally Posted by crofrog

Really? I didn't let's recap:

REALLY?

You've been recapping for 4 pages (or more)! Stop. Just stop.
You don't agree! We get that. You aren't going to change his mind on the internet, and he definitely isn't going to change your mind.

Agree to disagree, take it to PM's, start your own topic, or move on with your life. Pick one or settle on using 3 fingers on the brake!

[mikesova]

I like this big wheel:

[Thinc2]

Originally Posted by AZbiker

Don't.

The Dragon is a miracle of natural selection.

Some people are tested and found wanting.

So let's see - adventure riding is about pushing your own personal limits. The adventure starts when things go wrong. All that good stuff.

And yet if someone pushes their limit perhaps that one time or just has a momentary lapse of concentration on the Dragon - and you think it's a good thing they get hurt or die? And you try to sound cavalier about it by calling it natural selection...

Would you say the same if one of our own was riding a pass and made a mistake and fell of the side of the mountain?

Revelling in the misfortune of others - it says more about you than those who made a mistake.

[Al Goodwin]

I take issue with the term "trap" being used by those unwilling to admit they were wrong. I do understand your point in it being a universal term for a cop running radar, but that doesn't make the terminology correct.

Therefore...if the speed limit is posted...it's NOT a speed "trap"...agree??

Originally Posted by Wench On Wheels

I believe "speed trap" is..... traditionally (perhaps universally)..... understood to mean a cop..... excuse me..... a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER..... using a speed detection device (radar or lidar)..... to determine the miles per hour at which any given vehicle is traveling. Though there's usually an implication of "entrapment"..... meaning somehow the operator of the detection device lured the operator of any given vehicle into committing a criminal act (in this case exceeding the posted speed limit)..... as the word "trap" in itself has a definition of "something by which one is caught or stopped unawares"..... speed trap..... as far as language goes..... is a perfectly correct expression.

The only people whom ever seem to be offended by the term "speed trap" are cops..... forgive me again..... are LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. Rather than nitpicking over citizens' word choices..... maybe they should direct their vitriol at all the policemen who are so easily swayed by fluttering eyelashes?

Obligatory photo.....

[Al Goodwin]

Once again...if the "artificially low" speed limit is communicated by being posted....How is the term "trap" a ligitament term?

Originally Posted by thetable

If it's an artificially low speed limit, it IS a speed trap! The speed limit at the Gap was NOT set by a traffic survey. We're talking about a road with no intersecting roads, no driveways, no anything.