Is Mexico Safe? - Page 704

SchizzMan · 10-05-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtRider....

Friendly fire....

Give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish.

Bato · 10-05-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SchizzMan

I'm dropping your name, Amigo.

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Originally Posted by Arte

T minus 4 !!

Lets get riding! Plan is one leg from Reynosa to La Esperanza (about 900 km).

Read this if you can
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rockymountainoyster · 10-06-2012, 01:22 AM

Very clearly and well stated Pedro. I am appropriately chastened and like your idea of a thread in the basement on this as I would be particularly interested in the take that the frequent Mexico riders and riding expats have on this subject. I think that you might admit that content sometimes diverges from your succinct statement of purpose.

Toysrme · 10-06-2012, 02:39 AM

So how far south of Mexico can you go before sport bikes should be left at home & you really need more versatility on the average roads that a DS would provide?

Ok, long rant but after reading all 10,5XX posts in the thread I'll chime in too.

Ya, white guy from Alabama... But go ahead and shelf the racial pretenses if you possibly can.
Is Mexico safe? Hell... It's safer than here!?!

Birmingham, Alabama is a city of LESS than 90,000 inhabitants. The vast majority are black. However, the "metro" area of Birmingham is a little more than a million population wise. (white-flight). So here's the thing... How in hell does a city of less than 90,000 people have one of the highest number of murders of any city in the last 5+ years?
I DID NOT SAY MURDER RATE as in murders:population. I said flat out number of murders!? It was only just in 2005 AND 2006 that the sole city of Birmingham, Alabama had more murders for the first quarter of those years than New York City, Chicago AND WATTS (in L.A.) COMBINED!? (>100 murders per year on a sub 100,000 population...) And that wasn't including two smaller cities (suburbs of Birmingham) which also have a bad history of having ridiculous murder rates.

Ok so put Birmingham aside. I live in a beautiful little suburbs. Very friendly. A town of about 4,000 people outside of a small city of around 15,000 (about 20 miles outside of Birmingham. Of corse if I keep going another 20 miles away from birmingham it's not the gang-bangers that are the issue. It's stereotypical white trash running meth labs...). VERY noted for the insane number of churches (and very large churches). VERY nice and friendly place. And yet after school one day a neighbor comes over trying to beat our door down & break into our house!? Get's in the house & my dad goes wrestling with him. I have to go pull one of my damn .30-30 lever action hunting rifles out of the closet and run the lever in his face to freeze him... (Cha-Chick baby!)

Fast forward a couple years. At the time (Freshman in college) I was 5'6, in great shape, but only about 130# soaking wet. We're out having a good time and this little gang-banging thug get's put off when my buddy won't let him dance with his date. And I do mean little (he was shorter than I was). Everybody has a good time, forgets all about it. We walk out of the club and he jumps out and plunges a knife in my friend's stomach, I run up behind him as he's falling back & catch him, turning around. Guy slashes my lower back 3 times & takes off. Of corse "nobody saw nothin"... So lets go over this situation. A 6'3 220lb (really well over that) outside linebacker on scholarship to a university in the south (we take our fooseball serious!) get stabbed to death by a guy about 5'5 in one big stick in the stomach.... Despite the fact that three out of five of us in our group (including him) had years of basic first aid training (boy scouts), AND that we were 3 blocks from one ER, FIVE blocks to a level-1 trauma ER and seven from another ER that was had a level-1 trama center. He goes into shock and dies before he's even on the gurney.

The MOST uncomfortable "unsafe" feeling place I've ever been in my life is Belize. By a mile too! But I never got hassled. Never strange looks, glaring or anything that'd even put me in "condition orange". I've been throughout the carribbean on cruises, never felt unsafe... Been all across the US & never felt unsafe. Been up and down the east coast of Mexico (cruises & car trips) never felt unsafe. And I never stay in the tourist "compounds" they're building everywhere. I'd still rather walk around Belieze with a rifle at night before I walked Birmingham any hour of the day without a pistol...
If somebody wants to shoot you, you're going to get shot. It's that simple.

So where is anybody ever "safe"? I stay my pasty white butt out the hood in Birmingham just like I stay out of the shady spots anywhere else. The only difference in Mexico and the US is at least in *some* parts of the US you can carry without too much hassle (and that is changing...) Do what my very smart grandfather always said, "You can't outsmart everybody, but you can out-dumb anybody". There is no limit to how aloof and inept you can pretend to be. Dumb people can act smart, but smart people are much better at acting dumb...

tricepilot · 10-06-2012, 02:46 AM

While reading your post re Birmingham all I could think about was how lucky you are to have the Dreamland Bar-B-Cue.

Toysrme · 10-06-2012, 03:02 AM

as a texan, you know low & slow is the key to bbq! :) i mean, yall are known here for getting those tough briskets into tender goodness right? ;)

dreamland royally sucks. it's 100% BS. at BEST it's an overpriced & average tasting touristy BBQ joint. all it took was a couple idiots on the south (read rich) side of town & the rest of the idiots followed suite until the reputation was built.

1) dreamland doesn't "slow & low" anything. it's stereotypical "we stick it in a hot smoker for a couple hours at most and less as demand rises".
2) the sauce is... It's too much vinegar & yellow mustard and the consistency runnier than water.

now Top Hat in Dodge City (north of birmingham, almost to Cullman). Low & slow baby! it's gunna be smoking for hours & hours before you eat it! they're on about a 3/4 mile stretch of flat ground, surrounded with trees and little hills blocking the road in. when they fire the smokers up early, early in the morning the entire little low ground is filled with a blue smoke that smells so sweet its hard to not drool! (there's also a HD-type shop/biker place across the street, but ive never stopped)

if you're passing through alabama go to top-hat. especially anyone that's never had real BBQ, where it's smoked at low temp for many hours.

Toysrme · 10-06-2012, 03:39 AM

how can anyone not love mexico?

MikeMike · 10-06-2012, 06:32 AM

If anyone is following the Alvarado alligator story and is in dire need of an update...
He's doing fine, apart from the striped shirt guey/cabron that is sitting on his head!

Se llevan a cocodrileitor!

05 Octubre, 2012 08:44:00

Por ANTONIO MARIN
Reportero de NOTIVER

Para salvaguardar la integridad del cocodrilo y de la familia de pescadores que lo rescato, cuando aparecido en el malecón del puerto de Alvarado, Ver., como lo dio a conocer NOTIVER, en exclusiva, fue retirado por personal de la Unidad de Manejo Ambiental (UMA), ´El Colibrí´, ubicada en el municipio de La Antigua, Ver., confirmo a NOTIVER, Miguel Ángel Barragán.

El funcionario de la Secretaría de Medio Ambiente y Recursos Naturales (Semarnat), dijo que con la notificación de los pobladores se determino reguardar al animal conforme a la normatividad, el cual será sometido a estudios para establecer su condición de salud, especie y genero.

Dijo que estos animales pueden representar un peligro porque se trata de animales salvajes, por eso se cumplieron todas las medidas de precaución para su traslado y resguardo.

La UMA El Colibrí, es propiedad de Jesús Cota y es un criadero de cocodrilos y son expertos en este tipo de animales, donde ´Teodoro´ como lo bautizaron los pobladores de Alvarado, quedara en deposito.

SchizzMan · 10-06-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Toysrme

So how far south of Mexico can you go before sport bikes should be left at home & you really need more versatility on the average roads that a DS would provide?

Depends. If you can afford a good used KLR, for example, then leave the sport bike at home. Otherwise, turn back at Ushuaia.

KiloBravo · 10-06-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Toysrme

Is Mexico safe? Hell... It's safer than here!?!
Birmingham, Alabama ...

Another from Bama, spent last Christmas and New Years in Playa del Carmen area I know it's not exactly gritty,
I had the same thought: I feel safer here than Birmingham or Montgomery.

PirateJohn · 10-06-2012, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by airdale74451

Ok, someone tell me if I HAVE TO HAVE insurance to cross the border. Are they going to ask for insurance verification? Is one company better than another? It seems Sanborns doesnt want to insure against theft.

No, no one will ask for proof of insurance. It only comes into play if you have an accident.

BobLoblaw · 10-06-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Toysrme

how can anyone not love mexico?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the...o-silicone.htm

tricepilot · 10-06-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PirateJohn

No, no one will ask for proof of insurance. It only comes into play if you have an accident.

Says the guy who doesn't buy insurance

SR · 10-06-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SchizzMan

Depends. If you can afford a good used KLR, for example, then leave the sport bike at home. Otherwise, turn back at Ushuaia.

I have to disagree. I sport bike could be fun in Mexico. Heck, there are probably 4 or 5 of them for every DS bike here. So someone is enjoying them. About half of the guys who ride them are teenaged squid looking to get severely hurt, but there are also some serious guys on sportbikes with all the gear. It looks like they have a lot of fun.

SR · 10-06-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PirateJohn

No, no one will ask for proof of insurance. It only comes into play if you have an accident.

The choice is yours. I've had two accidents in Mexico and my wife one. In all three, we were darn glad to have insurance!

10-06-2012, 01:22 AM	#10548
rockymountainoyster Studly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2010 Location: Back in the San Juan Mountains Oddometer: 508	Major Hochstetter Very clearly and well stated Pedro. I am appropriately chastened and like your idea of a thread in the basement on this as I would be particularly interested in the take that the frequent Mexico riders and riding expats have on this subject. I think that you might admit that content sometimes diverges from your succinct statement of purpose.

10-06-2012, 02:46 AM	#10550
tricepilot El Gran Payaso Joined: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio Oddometer: 5,909	While reading your post re Birmingham all I could think about was how lucky you are to have the Dreamland Bar-B-Cue. __________________ Oaxaca The Treasure of the Sierra Madre Into the Blue at Quintana Roo Vaquero On Mexican Time Copper Canyon and Batopilas

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10-06-2012, 02:39 AM	#10549
Toysrme Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2012 Oddometer: 193	So how far south of Mexico can you go before sport bikes should be left at home & you really need more versatility on the average roads that a DS would provide? Ok, long rant but after reading all 10,5XX posts in the thread I'll chime in too. Ya, white guy from Alabama... But go ahead and shelf the racial pretenses if you possibly can. Is Mexico safe? Hell... It's safer than here!?! Birmingham, Alabama is a city of LESS than 90,000 inhabitants. The vast majority are black. However, the "metro" area of Birmingham is a little more than a million population wise. (white-flight). So here's the thing... How in hell does a city of less than 90,000 people have one of the highest number of murders of any city in the last 5+ years? I DID NOT SAY MURDER RATE as in murders:population. I said flat out number of murders!? It was only just in 2005 AND 2006 that the sole city of Birmingham, Alabama had more murders for the first quarter of those years than New York City, Chicago AND WATTS (in L.A.) COMBINED!? (>100 murders per year on a sub 100,000 population...) And that wasn't including two smaller cities (suburbs of Birmingham) which also have a bad history of having ridiculous murder rates. Ok so put Birmingham aside. I live in a beautiful little suburbs. Very friendly. A town of about 4,000 people outside of a small city of around 15,000 (about 20 miles outside of Birmingham. Of corse if I keep going another 20 miles away from birmingham it's not the gang-bangers that are the issue. It's stereotypical white trash running meth labs...). VERY noted for the insane number of churches (and very large churches). VERY nice and friendly place. And yet after school one day a neighbor comes over trying to beat our door down & break into our house!? Get's in the house & my dad goes wrestling with him. I have to go pull one of my damn .30-30 lever action hunting rifles out of the closet and run the lever in his face to freeze him... (Cha-Chick baby!) Fast forward a couple years. At the time (Freshman in college) I was 5'6, in great shape, but only about 130# soaking wet. We're out having a good time and this little gang-banging thug get's put off when my buddy won't let him dance with his date. And I do mean little (he was shorter than I was). Everybody has a good time, forgets all about it. We walk out of the club and he jumps out and plunges a knife in my friend's stomach, I run up behind him as he's falling back & catch him, turning around. Guy slashes my lower back 3 times & takes off. Of corse "nobody saw nothin"... So lets go over this situation. A 6'3 220lb (really well over that) outside linebacker on scholarship to a university in the south (we take our fooseball serious!) get stabbed to death by a guy about 5'5 in one big stick in the stomach.... Despite the fact that three out of five of us in our group (including him) had years of basic first aid training (boy scouts), AND that we were 3 blocks from one ER, FIVE blocks to a level-1 trauma ER and seven from another ER that was had a level-1 trama center. He goes into shock and dies before he's even on the gurney. The MOST uncomfortable "unsafe" feeling place I've ever been in my life is Belize. By a mile too! But I never got hassled. Never strange looks, glaring or anything that'd even put me in "condition orange". I've been throughout the carribbean on cruises, never felt unsafe... Been all across the US & never felt unsafe. Been up and down the east coast of Mexico (cruises & car trips) never felt unsafe. And I never stay in the tourist "compounds" they're building everywhere. I'd still rather walk around Belieze with a rifle at night before I walked Birmingham any hour of the day without a pistol... If somebody wants to shoot you, you're going to get shot. It's that simple. So where is anybody ever "safe"? I stay my pasty white butt out the hood in Birmingham just like I stay out of the shady spots anywhere else. The only difference in Mexico and the US is at least in some parts of the US you can carry without too much hassle (and that is changing...) Do what my very smart grandfather always said, "You can't outsmart everybody, but you can out-dumb anybody". There is no limit to how aloof and inept you can pretend to be. Dumb people can act smart, but smart people are much better at acting dumb...

10-06-2012, 03:02 AM	#10551
Toysrme Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2012 Oddometer: 193	as a texan, you know low & slow is the key to bbq! :) i mean, yall are known here for getting those tough briskets into tender goodness right? ;) dreamland royally sucks. it's 100% BS. at BEST it's an overpriced & average tasting touristy BBQ joint. all it took was a couple idiots on the south (read rich) side of town & the rest of the idiots followed suite until the reputation was built. 1) dreamland doesn't "slow & low" anything. it's stereotypical "we stick it in a hot smoker for a couple hours at most and less as demand rises". 2) the sauce is... It's too much vinegar & yellow mustard and the consistency runnier than water. now Top Hat in Dodge City (north of birmingham, almost to Cullman). Low & slow baby! it's gunna be smoking for hours & hours before you eat it! they're on about a 3/4 mile stretch of flat ground, surrounded with trees and little hills blocking the road in. when they fire the smokers up early, early in the morning the entire little low ground is filled with a blue smoke that smells so sweet its hard to not drool! (there's also a HD-type shop/biker place across the street, but ive never stopped) if you're passing through alabama go to top-hat. especially anyone that's never had real BBQ, where it's smoked at low temp for many hours.

10-06-2012, 03:39 AM	#10552
Toysrme Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2012 Oddometer: 193	how can anyone not love mexico?

10-06-2012, 06:32 AM	#10553
MikeMike Beastly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2009 Location: South east Mexico Oddometer: 2,396	If anyone is following the Alvarado alligator story and is in dire need of an update... He's doing fine, apart from the striped shirt guey/cabron that is sitting on his head! Se llevan a cocodrileitor! 05 Octubre, 2012 08:44:00 Por ANTONIO MARIN Reportero de NOTIVER Para salvaguardar la integridad del cocodrilo y de la familia de pescadores que lo rescato, cuando aparecido en el malecón del puerto de Alvarado, Ver., como lo dio a conocer NOTIVER, en exclusiva, fue retirado por personal de la Unidad de Manejo Ambiental (UMA), ´El Colibrí´, ubicada en el municipio de La Antigua, Ver., confirmo a NOTIVER, Miguel Ángel Barragán. El funcionario de la Secretaría de Medio Ambiente y Recursos Naturales (Semarnat), dijo que con la notificación de los pobladores se determino reguardar al animal conforme a la normatividad, el cual será sometido a estudios para establecer su condición de salud, especie y genero. Dijo que estos animales pueden representar un peligro porque se trata de animales salvajes, por eso se cumplieron todas las medidas de precaución para su traslado y resguardo. La UMA El Colibrí, es propiedad de Jesús Cota y es un criadero de cocodrilos y son expertos en este tipo de animales, donde ´Teodoro´ como lo bautizaron los pobladores de Alvarado, quedara en deposito.