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Old 10-07-2012, 05:38 PM   #226
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Wow! Looks like y'all are doing a great job there!!

Have you thought about just breaking the glaze on the jug with a quick honing and installing new rings to freshen the top up a bit while it's all apart?

p.s. slap steve one time real good and say it's from me.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:43 PM   #227
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Have you thought about just breaking the glaze on the jug with a quick honing and installing new rings to freshen the top up a bit while it's all apart?
In English please!
I'm guessing you are talking about the piston.....

Ps Steve says the only reason you asked me to slap him is because you're afraid to do it yourself, LOL!
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:48 PM   #228
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In English please!
I'm guessing you are talking about the piston.....

Ps Steve says the only reason you asked me to slap him is because you're afraid to do it yourself, LOL!
Yes and yes.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:51 PM   #229
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Just looking at this photo and imagining it's my engine gives me the willies. Good on you for taking it apart and fixing it though! I bet you're learning a LOT!
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:14 PM   #230
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no one else has said it so im going to say it after you get all you can get out of your bike have you had any thoughts of what your next bike will be he he he he you should try a triumph i saw how you where drooling over mine
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:19 AM   #231
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Wow! Looks like y'all are doing a great job there!!

Have you thought about just breaking the glaze on the jug with a quick honing and installing new rings to freshen the top up a bit while it's all apart?
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In English please!
I'm guessing you are talking about the piston....
What he's actually talking about is the cylinder, and the process he's talking about involves a "Flex-Hone", which looks like a big bottle brush with abrasive balls on the ends. You run it through the "bore", or the cylinder hole and remove less than .001", in a "cross-hatch" pattern. The pattern of the "hatching" helps with oiling of the cylinder walls, and gets worn off ("glazed") by the piston/rings going up and down over them. The process also helps even the wear out, allowing you to "repair" a "barrel-shaped" cylinder bore.

How many miles are on the engine, anyway?
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:17 AM   #232
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no one else has said it so im going to say it after you get all you can get out of your bike have you had any thoughts of what your next bike will be he he he he you should try a triumph i saw how you where drooling over mine
Haha, nope no Triumph, too bulky to take off-road and not enough clearance.
Also, no money to buy another bike, so Spirit is going to be fixed up for a while. Hopefully she will purr like a kitten when I am done.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:19 AM   #233
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What he's actually talking about is the cylinder, and the process he's talking about involves a "Flex-Hone", which looks like a big bottle brush with abrasive balls on the ends. You run it through the "bore", or the cylinder hole and remove less than .001", in a "cross-hatch" pattern. The pattern of the "hatching" helps with oiling of the cylinder walls, and gets worn off ("glazed") by the piston/rings going up and down over them. The process also helps even the wear out, allowing you to "repair" a "barrel-shaped" cylinder bore.

How many miles are on the engine, anyway?
Ahhhh, nope, not gonna do that, no funds and the wall inside the cylinder is smooth like a baby's bottom, so I'm not touching it. I have 36,000 on it, and don't think my cylinder is barrel shaped yet.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:21 AM   #234
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Just looking at this photo and imagining it's my engine gives me the willies. Good on you for taking it apart and fixing it though! I bet you're learning a LOT!
Yep! definitely learning a lot! I am also enjoying this, the engine parts are all so cool, what amazing minds have created all these parts to work together so well. Just mind-boggling!
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:22 AM   #235
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Ahhhh, nope, not gonna do that, no funds and the wall inside the cylinder is smooth like a baby's bottom, so I'm not touching it. I have 36,000 on it, and don't think my cylinder is barrel shaped yet.
Rings are cheap...and with 36k on a thumper I'd seriously consider it.
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:34 AM   #236
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Rings are cheap...and with 36k on a thumper I'd seriously consider it.
Rings might be, but flex-honing it might not be....
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:42 AM   #237
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Rings might be, but flex-honing it might not be....
It's just a thing you attach to a drill....should be somebody local that'll let y'all borrow one. .....if not, I think you can buy one for about $20 at an auto parts store...
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:36 PM   #238
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Well, Flex-hones in the proper size would be around $50....

And smooth as a baby's bottom is not exactly the best for oil retention. The grooves the Flex-hone puts in the cylinder actually helps keep a miniscule amount of oil there for ring lubrication.

As for necessity, at 36K on a single I'd definitely consider it. Does the cross-hatching that is there appear uniform through the whole barrel? Does it seem as if the middle of the barrel is shinier? You won't be able to see the barrel shape-we're talking about ten-thousandths of an inch here. A local machine shop or well-equipped motorcycle shop should be able to run a Flex-hone through it relatively cheaply (there is a proper way to do it, and screwing it up could result in excessive oil usage, or ultimately a new cylinder. Not a job for a novice wrench), and rings aren't that much.

But, at 36k I also wouldn't think it an absolute necessity, especially considering your financial situation. Ripping the top end off to cure oil consumption isn't very hard, and can be done later if it's a big issue.

The right gasket set will be a huge help too, and once again remember the dealership isn't always the last word on that stuff- check Athena gaskets or Vesrah gasket prices too. Both are reputable manufacturers with good prices.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:26 PM   #239
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Spend the day cleaning the parts.
Started on the transmission and seeing as just spraying WD40 didn't do much I ended up taking both the input and output rods apart and cleaning each sprocket.


Then I oiled everything and put it in a ziplock to keep it clean.
Just got to buy a bunch of new clips

Next I opened up the oil pump and cleaned it.
Now...... Clymers says to check for scoring etc. Hmmmmm I think this is what they mean





Even the dots to line up the star inside are gone.
So now I wonder how much scoring is acceptable so I won't have to buy a new oil pump.

Seeing this however gave me some insight as to why I had both steel and aluminum slivers in the oil filter.

Bearings wear out, get into the oil pump, oil pump gets scratched up and aluminum from the oil pump gets into the filter.

Now as to why the bearing got all torn up....... I noticed that the oil seal where the sprocket to the chain is located was very muddy and it even had mud on the inside where the bearing was. So that explains why I found a ton of mud and sand in the oil filter the first time I cleaned it in Idaho.
Boy, just guessing, but this makes the most sense.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:39 PM   #240
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