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Old 10-07-2012, 10:24 AM   #151
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Not to mention the production costs of a shaft vs. a chain.
Actually I wonder, why no manufacturer has made an ADV bike with a “boxed” or enclosed chain drive?? It has only a few small downsides: takes a bit more work to adjust it, and it could make changing tyres a bit harder (that however depends on the solution).

But on the other hand, it has more or less all the upsides: simplicity, weight (the box does not need to weight much at all), and durability fully comparable to a shaft drive (I mean the good ones, that you DONīT need to work on too often!) Plus when it is inside a box, on oil bath and lubricated 100% all the time, it wonīt get dirty, and the need to even adjust it becomes very small. So regarding maintenance, it is almost like a well-working shaft drive.

Maybe it is a cost issue on a bike like the DL1000 (but I donīt believe it would be on all current large-capacity allroad-bikes). Also maybe all buyers would not like the looks of it. But if I was looking for a bike to go RTW, this kind of solution would be in one word perfect for me, and I could not care less about its looks.

There used to be enclosed chains on bikes, but that was a long time ago. Maybe the manufacturers donīt actually want the chains to last 40-60 thousand miles afterall, and the average user doesnīt care, if they last 20 or 40 thousand. But on a real RTW-tourer, this would be the way to go.

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Old 10-07-2012, 01:07 PM   #152
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OK...so I've seen it in real life yesterday on Intermot.

It does not look that bad. Kinda bearable if you do not look at 3/4 view. Rear strongly resembles BMWs GSes somehow closer to 800 GS.
Front strongly resembles multistrada with Diavel headlight.
Luggage they show on photos WILL make it very ugly. Without it - MUCH better.
Rest...
They used totally usual DL1000 motor and arrangement in it. Perhaps because it is concept.
Oil rad still hangs low-low, everything still quite exposed. Spacers, rear brake holder - all machined as one-off, you can see it - unpainted alloy with signs of machining.
Cockpit...that's where it gets ugly. It is large dull flat piece of plastic with clocks stuck in the middle surrounded by loads of empty plastic surface. I hope they will do something about it, as it looks kinda...like real cheap car door panel.

Rest - to be tested when available.
I hope it will be all you looking for guys! Best of luck. No sarcasm.
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:55 PM   #153
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Actually I wonder, why no manufacturer has made an ADV bike with a “boxed” or enclosed chain drive?? It has only a few small downsides: takes a bit more work to adjust it, and it could make changing tyres a bit harder (that however depends on the solution).

But on the other hand, it has more or less all the upsides: simplicity, weight (the box does not need to weight much at all), and durability fully comparable to a shaft drive (I mean the good ones, that you DONīT need to work on too often!) Plus when it is inside a box, on oil bath and lubricated 100% all the time, it wonīt get dirty, and the need to even adjust it becomes very small. So regarding maintenance, it is almost like a well-working shaft drive.

Maybe it is a cost issue on a bike like the DL1000 (but I donīt believe it would be on all current large-capacity allroad-bikes). Also maybe all buyers would not like the looks of it. But if I was looking for a bike to go RTW, this kind of solution would be in one word perfect for me, and I could not care less about its looks.

There used to be enclosed chains on bikes, but that was a long time ago. Maybe the manufacturers donīt actually want the chains to last 40-60 thousand miles afterall, and the average user doesnīt care, if they last 20 or 40 thousand. But on a real RTW-tourer, this would be the way to go.




Here's a good look at the enclosed chain system on my slightly modified XV920 Yamaha.
I rode this on a 13,500 mile round trip and had 0 chain issues. The Shinko tires I used did not do well in mud though.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:46 AM   #154
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Here is the improvement Suzuki needs to do to the concept to make me buy it! (from stromtrooper.com)



Ahhhhh....much better!
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:11 AM   #155
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Ahhhhh....much better!

Sorry, don't agree.

To me, the front end Suzuki uses on the new concept looks like they might have actually done some wind tunnel testing, whereas, we all know about the buffeting from previously built bikes.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:28 AM   #156
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Sorry, don't agree.

To me, the front end Suzuki uses on the new concept looks like they might have actually done some wind tunnel testing, whereas, we all know about the buffeting from previously built bikes.
There have been much less complaints about the buffeting on the 2012 Wee.

I still think the final 2014 Vee is going to have more resemblance to the newest Wee, than that concept bike has.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:34 AM   #157
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After reading all of the looks comments I had to make sure I wasn't in a Harley thread on Road Warriors...

I like the new bike just fine, but it's not one I would trade my '05 Tiger for.

When I do get another adventure TOURING bike it will have a shaft drive.
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:14 PM   #158
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I really don't understand all the outrage about the design. All adventure bikes are just varying degrees of ugly, and for me, that's part of the charm in some way.

The only thing I'd like to see done differently are a change to dual headlights for both light output and to keep the V-Strom look, and something needs to be done about those passenger pegs. It looks like they'd get bent in a tip over from that head-on shot. Personally, I'd like to see the exhaust hanger/passenger pegs designed as bolt-on components, and not welded to the subframe.

Twilight's photochop was really well done, and I'd like to see something along those lines for the production unit.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:04 PM   #159
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I really don't understand all the outrage about the design. All adventure bikes are just varying degrees of ugly, and for me, that's part of the charm in some way.
Don't you know, those who don't ride enough have plenty of time to bitch. Shaft vs. chain, beak no beak... it has been said about most others as well. If it performs well we will all be better off having more options to choose from.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:04 PM   #160
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I really don't understand all the outrage about the design. All adventure bikes are just varying degrees of ugly, and for me, that's part of the charm in some way.

The only thing I'd like to see done differently are a change to dual headlights for both light output and to keep the V-Strom look, and something needs to be done about those passenger pegs. It looks like they'd get bent in a tip over from that head-on shot. Personally, I'd like to see the exhaust hanger/passenger pegs designed as bolt-on components, and not welded to the subframe.

Twilight's photochop was really well done, and I'd like to see something along those lines for the production unit.
The 'concept' front end looks all marketing led, rather than utility led.

It is what is is: MS1200 sells, so make a MS1200-a-like front end. Voila, sales gold!

I guess if you have to hit quarterly sales-targets, then you will latch on to whatever sold well last quarter for your competitor?

Dealers/techs might do well from riders who do 12,000+ miles a year, but for the manufacturers I really doubt they give a fig once the warranty is up.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:01 PM   #161
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But like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

Just came back to this thread... Man do I like beeing right and see you regretting your words .
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Old 10-10-2012, 03:47 AM   #162
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If you're referring to a "2013 DL1000", that by your info was published on some French magazine/website in January 2012, that is still wrong. For one thing, it's not coming for 2013. And they never reveal their next year's models in January, because it just would not make any sense. (That an updated DL1000 is coming at some point was not really hard to guess either, when you look at what others were doing). I think the French really had no clue, just speculation.

But don't get me wrong, this could well be my next bike, unless they screw up very badly on something (which I doubt they will).
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:40 AM   #163
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Its a good looking bike except for the beak design. While I like the looks of the beak on the Ducati Multi and Triumph Tigers, they need to point it down a hair and reshape it. Wider and more squared off. If BMW's 1200 beak gets any bigger, its going to be like the old locomotives that had the cow catchers on the front. It will just scoop stuff out of your way as you ride down the road.
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:33 AM   #164
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Here's a bit of footage that shows the bike in the metal. Doesn't look too bad to me.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...12-highlights/
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Old 10-11-2012, 02:06 AM   #165
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Finally a shot from the left side.
What's the lump on the side of the head, just a mount or something more interesting ?.

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