I'm starting to get the anti-HD vibe

[dbuzz]

Originally Posted by PhilB

Have you ever ridden a motorcycle on a winding road?

PhilB

Well yes I have ... and obviously more often than you if you can't manage to pass a slow vehicle on one

[AZbiker]

Originally Posted by dbuzz

Well yes I have ... and obviously more often than you if you can't manage to pass a slow vehicle on one

I think your definition of winding and mine are different...

How does one execute a pass when one cannot see more than a few seconds ahead?

If the road you're talking about has turns with a government-suggested speed of more than about 40-45 kph than our definitions of "winding" differ.

The road I tend to patronize has 2 opportunities for a "safe" (enough visibility to get the pass done on a decently-handling motorcycle) double-yellow pass in 15 miles. And those two opportunities have but about two seconds in which to make that decision until the visibility window closes.
That's it.

Or there's plenty of pullouts where if a cage just gets 2 wheels on the pullout and lifts off the gas it's enough to pass.

[dbuzz]

Originally Posted by AZbiker

I think your definition of winding and mine are different...

How does one execute a pass when one cannot see more than a few seconds ahead?

If the road you're talking about has turns with a government-suggested speed of more than about 40-45 kph than our definitions of "winding" differ.

The road I tend to patronize has 2 opportunities for a "safe" (enough visibility to get the pass done on a decently-handling motorcycle) double-yellow pass in 15 miles. And those two opportunities have but about two seconds in which to make that decision until the visibility window closes.
That's it.

Or there's plenty of pullouts where if a cage just gets 2 wheels on the pullout and lifts off the gas it's enough to pass.

Nope ... more like 25-30kph advisories with a few 15s chucked in for good measure. Come over some time and enjoy them

If the heroes on this thread who are bitching and moaning about being blocked by slow riders can't execute a pass on a corner then either the blockers are not going as slow as they claim or the would be passers skills aren't what they claim.

Note: the OP was talking about other bikes ... cars are still easily passed .. trucks maybe not.

[AZbiker]

Originally Posted by dbuzz

Nope ... more like 25-30kph advisories with a few 15s chucked in for good measure. Come over some time and enjoy them

If the heroes on this thread who are bitching and moaning about being blocked by slow riders can't execute a pass on a corner then either the blockers are not going as slow as they claim or the would be passers skills aren't what they claim.

Note: the OP was talking about other bikes ... cars are still easily passed .. trucks maybe not.

So what you're saying is that you routinely make blind passes with no visibility. Because that's what it would take to get in the other lane in order to make a pass. I have not perfected the art of looking through a mountain yet.

[dbuzz]

Originally Posted by AZbiker

So what you're saying is that you routinely make blind passes with no visibility. Because that's what it would take to get in the other lane in order to make a pass. I have not perfected the art of looking through a mountain yet.

Noooo ... where did I say the pass would be blind? I don't out ride my sight lines. I dunno what the problem is here Both my bikes seem to have more than enough get up and go to squirt by a slowpoke (and one of them is a Harley ). Sometimes I do fail to notice those painted directions on the bitumin

Isn't it legally allowed there to have two motorcycles in the same lane??

[crofrog]

Originally Posted by dbuzz

Nope ... more like 25-30kph advisories with a few 15s chucked in for good measure. Come over some time and enjoy them

If the heroes on this thread who are bitching and moaning about being blocked by slow riders can't execute a pass on a corner then either the blockers are not going as slow as they claim or the would be passers skills aren't what they claim.

Note: the OP was talking about other bikes ... cars are still easily passed .. trucks maybe not.

ha! We can agree on something.

[MotorCade]

This thread devolved fast.

Why don't y'all just get a measuring tape and a witness and whip em out. Cause arguing about whose roads are more windy and who rides better on a FORUM amounts to the same thing.

[AZbiker]

Originally Posted by dbuzz

Noooo ... where did I say the pass would be blind? I don't out ride my sight lines. I dunno what the problem is here Both my bikes seem to have more than enough get up and go to squirt by a slowpoke (and one of them is a Harley ). Sometimes I do fail to notice those painted directions on the bitumin

Isn't it legally allowed there to have two motorcycles in the same lane??

Yep, and considered EXTREMELY unsafe. No room to maneuver around obstacles/potholes/animals/whatever.

The MSF teaches staggered and not side-by-side riding IIRC.

The only people who do it around here are motor cops and, as adv refers to them, "pirates."

[windmill]

Originally Posted by MotorCade

This thread devolved fast.

Why don't y'all just get a measuring tape and a witness and whip em out. Cause arguing about whose roads are more windy and who rides better on a FORUM amounts to the same thing.

I don't think dbuzz would care to play that game.

[dbuzz]

Originally Posted by AZbiker

Yep, and considered EXTREMELY unsafe. No room to maneuver around obstacles/potholes/animals/whatever.

The MSF teaches staggered and not side-by-side riding IIRC.

The only people who do it around here are motor cops and, as adv refers to them, "pirates."

er ... if you are overtaking you aint supposed to hang around alongside ...

FWIW if I reckon it's safe >> I do the pass ... if it's dodgy >> I wait. I don't pass in the same lane unless they signal me by and move over enough. It doesn't bother me if I'm slowed down by traffic and if that causes me to get to my destination a minute or less later so what?

I hate staggered formation to me it is stupid and dangerous. And I wouldn't ride next to someone unless it was an actual parade eg down main st.

[dbuzz]

Originally Posted by windmill

I don't think dbuzz would care to play that game.

I'd watch

[windmill]

Originally Posted by Human Ills

And more folks refuse to yield for any reason.

I don't know,

I think the lunatics and brain dead are about even. Really it's the same disease just different symptoms.

[windmill]

Originally Posted by dbuzz

I'd watch

Wanna borrow a magnifying glass.

[AZbiker]

Originally Posted by dbuzz

er ... if you are overtaking you aint supposed to hang around alongside ...

FWIW if I reckon it's safe >> I do the pass ... if it's dodgy >> I wait. I don't pass in the same lane unless they signal me by and move over enough. It doesn't bother me if I'm slowed down by traffic and if that causes me to get to my destination a minute or less later so what?

I hate staggered formation to me it is stupid and dangerous. And I wouldn't ride next to someone unless it was an actual parade eg down main st.

If someone passes me on the 89A, in my lane, in a corner--then if I see them later we will have words. Most likely not nice words either. Think less Ride Reports, more Jo Momma.

Of course, if they do that they are riding at more than double the "suggested" speed anyway. Because barring interference from LE that's my pace. 20mph up to the ton, depending on where I'm at.

Depending on potholes, gravel, etc. I am using the entire lane when going round a corner. Not the entire lane the entire time but parts of it depending where I am in relation to the apex. I don't stay in just one half of the lane unless I've waved somebody by. At that point, the throttle is closed and I'm hugging the fog line as close as I can.

I don't do parades or charity runs. Can't even if I wanted to anyway, they are held on weekends during the day when I am asleep.

[Kamikuza]

Originally Posted by Ginger Beard

I don't see a huge price difference as far as the market is concerned. Honda VTX1300 is 1,354,000 yen and a Sportster 1200 is 1,340,000 yen. Seems pretty competitively priced unless we are comparing a fully loaded touring HD and a 250cc Japanese bike.

Are the HD's heavily taxed after sale or during registration ?

Ok so 10x is an exaggeration... unless you take into account the buckets of chrome polish, tassled jackets, HD dog bowls and assorted "accessories"

Following pictures that seem familiar I get 2,700,000 and I bet that's not out the door. What's that, US$35,000 these days?
http://www.harley-davidson.co.jp/lin...php?model=D140
Yes we do pay a premium (especially on parts!) for non-J bikes...

I'm still riding kiddie bikes - mine cost 800,000 yen to get me on the road. But then, I don't need flashing blue lights and stereo systems to enjoy my rides ;)