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Old 10-09-2012, 05:30 PM   #1216
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:00 PM   #1217
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If low pipes are so bad...



I'm confused...


Low Pipe + High Ground Clearance = Good
Low Pipe + Low Ground Clearance = Bad?

Compare the rear axle on both bikes, not even close.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:32 PM   #1218
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And now, my browser shows no 1190 on the US website...

http://www.ktm.com/us/travel.html
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:01 PM   #1219
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And now, my browser shows no 1190 on the US website...

http://www.ktm.com/us/travel.html
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:43 PM   #1220
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This is one of them "Groundhog Day" threads, isn't it? Around and around and around the same block we go...
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:23 PM   #1221
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Glad they made a change...

I'm certainly not going to go out and buy a new 1190, but that's because I'm way happy with my 950 S. But I'm surprised it took so long for KTM to come out with the 1190. It's the only way they can try to compete with the GS12 and the press that considers BMW so superior. The question isn't really would you keep your 990 or upgrade to the 1190. It's whether you'd buy a new GS12 or the new 1190. From that stand point I think everyone here would agree. And that's an answer we can all be proud of looking ahead. Once the 1190 has international success then they can start focusing on the micro niches we all fall under.

Let's hope the 1190 does really, really well and inspires KTM to develop a high tech mid-range Rally Replica Twin. I think that's something we can all agree on too.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:39 PM   #1222
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Very well said Desertsurfer!!!!!
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:21 AM   #1223
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Was this posted already?

"Why did KTM photoshop damage out of the 1190 Adventure photos?"

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...=Google+Reader
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:40 AM   #1224
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I didn't look through the whole thread but the 1190 is up on the EU site

http://www.ktm.com/travel/1190-adven...l#.UHWWq7Rm7Gv

and the 1190 R
http://www.ktm.com/gb/travel/1190-ad...l#.UHWXV7Rm7Gs
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:47 AM   #1225
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very well said desertsurfer!!!!!
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:36 AM   #1226
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Low Pipe + High Ground Clearance = Good
Low Pipe + Low Ground Clearance = Bad?

Compare the rear axle on both bikes, not even close.
Not exactly a fair comparison shot now is it (highly modified bike completely stripped of its weight)
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:57 AM   #1227
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Compare the rear axle on both bikes, not even close.
Considering the rear axle height is determined by tire and wheel size it looks identical to me...

At the end of the day getting that pipe down low is going to make the bike run cooler, the shock run cooler so it's less likely to fade, the rear brake line cooler, and the mass is going to be lower to let the bike handle better.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:00 AM   #1228
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Considering the rear axle height is determined by tire and wheel size it looks identical to me...

At the end of the day getting that pipe down low is going to make the bike run cooler, the shock run cooler so it's less likely to fade, the rear brake line cooler, and the mass is going to be lower to let the bike handle better.

Pretty sure he meant the rear axle relative to the bottom of the frame/engine/exhaust, not relative to the ground. Easy to see the ground clearance difference this way. Still a tainted look at it with a stripped down highly modified race bike.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:04 AM   #1229
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This is probably a better true comparison photo. Take piece of paper from the top of your screen and run the straight edge between the axles of both photos and you can clearly see how much more is hanging below the axle height on the 1190!



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Old 10-10-2012, 11:06 AM   #1230
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[QUOTE=ChR1s;19784145]And now, my browser shows no 1190 on the US website...[/QUOTE]

KTM USA read all the ADV threads and decided to ditch the 1190 and replace it with the 2014 950 ADV - with updated special extra high pipe mod.
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