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Old 10-12-2012, 07:25 AM   #1276
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Cy-cool Ferr-uld first look: 1190 ADV

Dunno if someone already posted this, but........

http://www.cycleworld.com/2012/10/03...re-first-look/
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:36 AM   #1277
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Thanks EdGear!

Your chart helps put things in perspective. The more I see, the better I like it (R version). I'm still keeping the 990 though.
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Old 10-12-2012, 08:32 AM   #1278
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From the KTM EU sites you can get Technical details for the 2013; 990, 990R, 1190 and 1190R.
Then you can read all the feature descriptions to get more details and check with the photos.
Then you can put together something like this. Some of the differences are bold font.
There are big changes to the instrument cluster which I did not capture.

Can somebody explain what X and X+Y means in the fuel consumption entries?
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:01 AM   #1279
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Can somebody explain what X and X+Y means in the fuel consumption entries?
I'm guessing that has to do with X = Road Riding and mild off-road fuel economy. I think Y has to do with the associated reduced fuel economy from spinning the rear tire in the dirt and general hooliganism. It must be in L/100km, too. It doesn't make sense that it would be in MPG if it's X+Y for 990 R fuel economy and X-20% for 1190 fuel economy.

Interesting that the frame is lighter. It would be interesting to see what things look like under that bodywork.

Ground Clearance, suspension travel and seat height are all pretty interesting. On suspension, the most comparable to the 1190 R is the Standard 990. The 1190 R gets 10mm more suspension travel than the 990 but 11mm less ground clearance. For seat height, the 1190 R is only 15mm shorter than the 990 R. It's not like they lowered the bike to make it friendlier to those with shorter inseams.

I think the 990 R ground clearance should be 296mm. 990 Std: 220mm suspension, 261mm clearance; 990 R has 35mm more travel = 35mm more clearance.

As a side note, my 990 R has been returning ~42mpg regularly. Someone eariler in the thread said they were getting similar fuel economy. That means the 1190 should get 42mpg + 20% (8.4mpg) = 50.4 mpg? That's the most appealing thing about the new bike, for me. How about the old chassis and suspension/clearance with the new engine? I don't need the power, but the fuel economy would be nice!
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:08 AM   #1280
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Your chart helps put things in perspective. The more I see, the better I like it (R version). I'm still keeping the 990 though.
+1, on everything, keeping the plastic(990R)
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:36 AM   #1281
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Sorry
X means the 990 is the baseline for KTM comments.
X+Y means the 990R map consumes more fuel than the 990 (tribal knowledge)
X-20% is KTM's statement that the 1190 gets 20% better fuel efficiency than the 990
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:25 AM   #1282
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So it's dry weight is 7,5 kilo's heavier than the 990, also is it not a dry sump ?
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:29 AM   #1283
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KTM has a long way to go when you compare them to BMW which has the best dealers hands down. I've ridden across the country a few times and when I've had an issue with the bike the KTM dealers are about as unhelpful as can be - "What do you mean make an appointment for next week?". I'm used to BMW where if you are on a tour and have an issue you're taken care of immediately - they value and respect "riders". KTM just hasn't figured that out yet and they still operate like they're selling big mx bikes. It doesn't help that the bikes share space with quads, snow blowers and jet skis half the time.

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Old 10-12-2012, 10:35 AM   #1284
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Sorry
X means the 990 is the baseline for KTM comments.
X+Y means the 990R map consumes more fuel than the 990 (tribal knowledge)
X-20% is KTM's statement that the 1190 gets 20% better fuel efficiency than the 990
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:47 AM   #1285
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We can only hope that after the success of the 1190, KTM turns their attention to building the 350lb 700ish cc twin dirt lovin' traveler that we want. If they build this. I'll buy one and so will my riding buddies.
Jeez, I wish. Does anyone from the manufacturers ever actually ride these bikes the way they're advertised and positioned?

I understand the versatility and appeal of a heavy, street-biased adventure tourer, but why don't we see a modern, lightweight execution of the 650-750 class?
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:59 AM   #1286
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Jeez, I wish. Does anyone from the manufacturers ever actually ride these bikes the way they're advertised and positioned?

I understand the versatility and appeal of a heavy, street-biased adventure tourer, but why don't we see a modern, lightweight execution of the 650-750 class?
KTM 690 Enduro R customized is that you look for. 70 HP and long suspension. Add any adventure kit and you will be ready to go.
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:27 AM   #1287
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KTM 690 Enduro R customized is that you look for. 70 HP and long suspension. Add any adventure kit and you will be ready to go.

Or SE if its a twin we are talking about. The market is full of them nice parts for such a conversion.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:33 PM   #1288
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KTM 690 Enduro R customized is that you look for. 70 HP and long suspension. Add any adventure kit and you will be ready to go.
Either you do not own a 690 or you have not ridden one. It has a shitty close ratio gearbox and it also vibes more at highway speeds than my FE570. Engine and FI system are not exactly long term reliable and problem-free either...

What I will give you is that it does make great power, is pretty light for a big single (nowhere near Husaberg levels though) and the chassis itself makes a nice platform for an adventure bike - after you spend an additional $2k-8K for aftermarket parts.

I'd like to see something like a very slightly stretched out 690, in order to fit a 700-800-ish V-twin. If the engine weighs 20 lbs more, and the components were beefed up just enough to cope with an extra 20 HP, it should still come in around 380 lbs wet with no fuel, making it 100-120 lbs lighter than a 990.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:41 PM   #1289
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....and, It's Gone!

Maybe it is just some website maintenance, but as of this writing the KTM 1190 is removed from the US website (still on Euro website, from what I can tell).

Interesting....
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:28 PM   #1290
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I've owned a 1996 BMW R1100 GS a 2004 1150 GS and now own a 2007 1200 GS Adv. I also own a KTM 625 SXC that has been severly modified. I'm pretty certain that when the KTM Adventure R hits the states this will be my new ride.

Like most of you I also own a continually rotating assortment of various other motorcycles that commonly come and go. One of these most recent rides is a 2008 Triumph Tiger 1050. After a two week trip on the Triumph I got back on the 1200 GS Adv. I was absolutley amazed at how lethargic and clumsy the BMW felt. And this bike has a full Akro race exhaust, Ohlins front and rear and a re-map to the EFI. Do not get me wrong I love what the BMW is able to do, but having a lighter more powerful ADV bike makes perfect sense for me.

Can not wait to ride one of these.
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