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Old 10-13-2012, 10:47 AM   #1
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Can't set the bead on my tire....

I just swapped out the rear tire on my DRZ400 and when I put the tire on the bike I noticed that the bead isn't set all the way around. I tried beating it with a sledge hammer, wrapping a cord around the circumference and tightening it like a tourniquet to know avail.

This is a tube tire by the way...

Do I have to take the tire and wheel off the bike and start all over?

Any tricks would be helpful.

Time to take a break and take the dog to the beach

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Old 10-13-2012, 10:51 AM   #2
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I just swapped out the rear tire on my DRZ400 and when I put the tire on the bike I noticed that the bead isn't set all the way around. I tried beating it with a sledge hammer, wrapping a cord around the circumference and tightening it like a tourniquet to know avail.

This is a tube tire by the way...

Do I have to take the tire and wheel off the bike and start all over?

Any tricks would be helpful.

Time to take a break and take the dog to the beach

Ron W.
you might be able to spray soapy water on the tire and use more psi in the tires to pop the bead then let the air out to the recomended psi.
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:22 AM   #3
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I had that problem with the front tire on my DRZ (Scorpion XCMH). Soapy water and all the pressure my compressor could give (100psi) and a few hours and it had taken a seat. The rear jumped right on, though (Trakmaster).
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:02 PM   #4
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I had that problem with the front tire on my DRZ (Scorpion XCMH). Soapy water and all the pressure my compressor could give (100psi) and a few hours and it had taken a seat. The rear jumped right on, though (Trakmaster).
Really?... at least have the decency to tell the OP that a frag blanket is a necessary part of your idea...

Speaking of the OP: most tire seating issues go away if you use bead-lube. Soapy water helps, but the slimy snot that's made for this task makes life a lot easier.

Most of my tires pop into place at ~25 psi. The really uncoopertive ones pop into place at 60 psi, max.

I use a bicycle pump.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:11 PM   #5
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Go out to the auto parts store and pick up one of those stubby brass inflation nozzles. Extract the valve bits and throw them away, they're not needed here. Remove the valve core from your tube, plug the modified inflation nozzle into your air hose (you're gonna lose lots of air) and stuff that on the valve stem. Airflow without the two bits of valve hardware is far greater than it is with. What you're after is rapid inflation, this tool has worked for me the first time, every time on dozens of tires.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:36 PM   #6
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Break the bead again and LUBE. Lotsa lube. I've used straight Dawn dish soap before, but just bought a jug of Ruglyde at NAPA for about $9. Works incredible.
Set the bike in the sun to soften the tire, mop some lube on the rim and tire and dont be shy about PSI. Look at the tire bead profile and the shape of the rim, you'll see where you want to 'help' the tire slip over the bumps. My 17" SM takes 80 psi sometimes.
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Old 10-13-2012, 12:41 PM   #7
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I use maxima chain wax. A really difficult bead will set around 60-80psi max.
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Old 10-13-2012, 01:18 PM   #8
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I hold the wheel with both hands so the stuck area of the bead is touching the floor.

Then I pick it up and strike it on the floor in such a way it pulls the corner of the tread to pull the sidewall away from the rim. It will pop right into place after a few blows.
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Old 10-13-2012, 01:32 PM   #9
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I like dish soap as I know it will dry up and be tacky. I don't want to take any chances of a tire slipping on the rim and rotating causing a ripped out valve stem. I have no knowledge of these tire lubes etc. so i don't know what they do.

But let the air out of the tube, squirk the rim tire area with soapy water and air it up until it pops into place, I've gone as high as 70 psi. Just don't forget to let the air back down to riding pressure.
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Old 10-13-2012, 01:34 PM   #10
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I like dish soap as I know it will dry up and be tacky. I don't want to take any chances of a tire slipping on the rim and rotating causing a ripped out valve stem. I have no knowledge of these tire lubes etc. so i don't know what they do.

But let the air out of the tube, squirk the rim tire area with soapy water and air it up until it pops into place, I've gone as high as 70 psi. Just don't forget to let the air back down to riding pressure.
I use a mix of Thompson Oil Soap, dish soap and water.

Which is where my tool is brilliant - without a valve core, the tube deflates near instantly when you remove the air.
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Old 10-13-2012, 01:48 PM   #11
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OP back, looks like I'll take the tire/wheel off tomorrow and try re-lubing.

thanks for all the advice.

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Old 10-13-2012, 04:09 PM   #12
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OP back, looks like I'll take the tire/wheel off tomorrow and try re-lubing.

thanks for all the advice.

Ron W.

OP back again 2x....

Couldn't wait till tomorrow went downstairs and really flooded the stuck bead with some Dawn dish washing liquid then pumped it up to 75 psi and bam both sides popped out and I'm good to go. Looking forward to a nice ride tomorrow on my new Pilot Road 3 rear.

Not bad, 5 hours to change one tire, can't imagine doing it on the side of the road

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Old 10-13-2012, 04:18 PM   #13
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Not bad, 5 hours to change one tire, can't imagine doing it on the side of the road

Thanks all for the help.

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just get it wet any way you can and pump till she pops!
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Old 10-13-2012, 04:26 PM   #14
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Go out to the auto parts store and pick up one of those stubby brass inflation nozzles. Extract the valve bits and throw them away, they're not needed here. Remove the valve core from your tube, plug the modified inflation nozzle into your air hose (you're gonna lose lots of air) and stuff that on the valve stem. Airflow without the two bits of valve hardware is far greater than it is with. What you're after is rapid inflation, this tool has worked for me the first time, every time on dozens of tires.
you think thats gonna help with a tube in there? Thats what we use to seat a tubeless tire but I don't know if cramming the air in faster is going to help when inflating a tube.

Put more baby power to talcum powerder or whatever you're using in there, so the tube will slip in the tire easier and hopefully push the tread out instead of the sidewalls out.
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Old 10-13-2012, 04:30 PM   #15
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Go out to the auto parts store and pick up one of those stubby brass inflation nozzles. Extract the valve bits and throw them away, they're not needed here. Remove the valve core from your tube, plug the modified inflation nozzle into your air hose (you're gonna lose lots of air) and stuff that on the valve stem. Airflow without the two bits of valve hardware is far greater than it is with. What you're after is rapid inflation, this tool has worked for me the first time, every time on dozens of tires.
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