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Old 10-11-2012, 08:28 AM   #1696
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I used to live down the road from a shop with a dyno so I dynoed my bikes (1998 Bandit 1200S, 1998 ZRX1100, 1999 VFR800, 2002 FZ1) before and after installing slip-ons/ full exhausts. The dyno runs showed good gains without making other changes. Yes, I got even better improvements when I changed the fueling and air filter but the initial gains were still pretty good. Those are facts...

It's critical to do before and after runs on the same dyno, same day. If you didn't do that, you won't have an accurate baseline to judge change.

Btw, had Akra slipons on my 2005 TDM900. Moved so I never dynoed it at that shop but they definitely woke the bike up. Switching back to stock for inspection and the bike felt strangled, especially at the top end. Akra didn't become an incredibly successful premium exhaust maker by publishing bogus dyno data...
All those bikes you mentioned that improved with a new exhaust are at least 10 years old or more. Maybe back then you'd see an improvement but today's stock exhausts are pretty damn good at flowing exhaust gas, they have to be. Only reason to change an exhaust IMHO is for sound or a small weight saving, but hey lets face it, most of us on here could produce a lot bigger weight savings going to the gym, me included.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:00 AM   #1697
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All those bikes you mentioned that improved with a new exhaust are at least 10 years old or more. Maybe back then you'd see an improvement but today's stock exhausts are pretty damn good at flowing exhaust gas, they have to be. Only reason to change an exhaust IMHO is for sound or a small weight saving, but hey lets face it, most of us on here could produce a lot bigger weight savings going to the gym, me included.
The lighter you are the heavier the bike feels
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:18 AM   #1698
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All those bikes you mentioned that improved with a new exhaust are at least 10 years old or more. Maybe back then you'd see an improvement but today's stock exhausts are pretty damn good at flowing exhaust gas, they have to be. Only reason to change an exhaust IMHO is for sound or a small weight saving, but hey lets face it, most of us on here could produce a lot bigger weight savings going to the gym, me included.
Check. Today's fuel injections and ECU's does s*ck big time in comparising with 'Old Skool Carbs'.

PS I don't wanna loos weight...
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:52 AM   #1699
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The lighter you are the heavier the bike feels
Not really. The weaker you are the heavier a bike feels. The fatter you are the worse you make the handling ...
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:37 PM   #1700
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All those bikes you mentioned that improved with a new exhaust are at least 10 years old or more. Maybe back then you'd see an improvement but today's stock exhausts are pretty damn good at flowing exhaust gas, they have to be. Only reason to change an exhaust IMHO is for sound or a small weight saving, but hey lets face it, most of us on here could produce a lot bigger weight savings going to the gym, me included.
My TDM was 7 years old, my Dakar is 6. Both benefited from slip-ons. Didn't dyno them but felt a clear difference in performance. Doesn't matter if new bikes can flow exhaust better, they are still restricted for noise and emissions reasons.

I also like having a louder than stock bike, makes lane-splitting safer...
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:06 PM   #1701
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Insurance companies really need to hire a few knowledgeable riders for classifying bikes. When Jodie owned her Ninja 650 (the parallel twin) our regular insurance company wouldn't insure it, we had to insure through our high risk carrier. I asked about a Ninja 500 and Ninja 250, nope won't insure them, they say "Ninja", they're a sport bike. Granted the Ninja 250 and 500 "look" like sport bikes they are definitely NOT high risk like a liter class Ninja or 600 supersport. Really stupid and uninformed decisions being made but should we expect anything better from an insurance co.

Agree

My Varadero's insurance is less than my DL650 insurance, because the DL is a sport's bike. Huh?!?!
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:46 PM   #1702
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First Crosstourer in the pearl of the orient.



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Old 10-13-2012, 07:50 AM   #1703
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congrats!
Thanks for the compliment. Here is it now with the farkles




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Old 10-13-2012, 09:32 PM   #1704
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I'm in agreement that Honda USA is out of touch with many of us moto riders.

I just returned from a trip which included some time in Hastings, England. I walked into the local Honda dealer and after a great conversation and some time looking on the showroom floor, I picked up the Honda Adventure pamphlet....

CrossTourer
XL1000V Varadero
CrossRunner
NC700X
XL700V TransAlp
XL125 Varadero

Now, look up the Honda USA site and see what we can buy........the ancient XR650L or the Summer release of the NC700X.......

The Brits told me that the Varadero will likely be discontinued and the USA has never seen one through a legitimate dealer.

What a joke!

I rode my XR650R's for a long time and modded them extensively but Honda will not see another of my dollars anytime soon.......

A $6000 pound 2008 Varadero with 3900 miles.........



A $13,750 pound, brand new CrossTourer 1200 on the showroom floor..........notice the CrossRunner behind it.........


With a stronger dollar at today's exchange, that's around $22,000 for that bike......not what I giwould consider a great value either...
This thread is giving me migraines.......and I can only hope that HONDA is reading it as closely as KTM is reading the 1190 thread......they photo shopped a header dent away when it was pointed out in the thread.....C'mon you effn'g HONDA execs..........I already have multiple KTM's in my shed.....and I know there's a bunch of US(ofA) who would have HONDA's instead of the few options we currently have................










Keep calm and carry on.....we now return you to your regularly (non USofA) scheduled thread........
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Old 10-14-2012, 05:01 AM   #1705
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Thanks for the compliment. Here is it now with the farkles

That looks sooo good! My choice of colour too. And I think that case looks great on it.

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Old 10-17-2012, 01:58 PM   #1706
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Hey that's lovely looking in white!

I would advise anyone who likes or dislikes the CrossTourer to take it out a test-ride for an hour or two. It's bloody amazing, my next bike for sure!!!!!


The engine (and bike) is an utter peach, so smooooooth! God I'm in love.
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Old 10-17-2012, 04:27 PM   #1707
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Hey that's lovely looking in white!

I would advise anyone who likes or dislikes the CrossTourer to take it out a test-ride for an hour or two. It's bloody amazing, my next bike for sure!!!!!


The engine (and bike) is an utter peach, so smooooooth! God I'm in love.
There are many over here on the other side of the Pond that would like nothing better than to get a test ride.

Still waiting, Mother Honda...
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:10 PM   #1708
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here's a vid from today, it's a bit scrappy and so is the riding but it's a start - akrapovic pipe
http://www.youtube.com/embed/OWiyuCL5uy0
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:40 PM   #1709
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Sounds great droid.
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:54 AM   #1710
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How is the new bike so far Droid?
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