Lance Armstrong

[Flaco]

Originally Posted by PoundSand

there are plenty who are suspicious of indurain as well...

quite frankly, all of the top cyclists are suspect- look at the top 10 lists for the past decade or two, and the winners for the last 50 years, and i'll bet you'll find more people implicated in doping than not.

Agreed that Indurain is also suspect BUT he didn't act like a tremendous asshole to everyone around him.

[cogitate]

Originally Posted by PoundSand

even lemond is suspect.

Sacre bleu!!!!

[PoundSand]

Originally Posted by cogitate

Sacre bleu!!!!

crazy talk, right? ha!

lemond claims he had to retire because he couldn't keep up with those that started doping in the early 90s. that, unfortunately, doesn't explain how he previously blew away those that we know know were doping earlier.

not to mention his miraculous anemia recovery, in a matter of weeks, from 'b12' shots...

[cogitate]

Originally Posted by PoundSand

crazy talk, right? ha!

lemond claims he had to retire because he couldn't keep up with those that started doping in the early 90s. that, unfortunately, doesn't explain how he previously blew away those that we know know were doping earlier.

not to mention his miraculous anemia recovery, in a matter of weeks, from 'b12' shots...

Yes, I noted that many posts ago, but overall, his up and down career, like Stephan Roche, is probably how the human body does react to competitive stress over years. Good year, bad years.


On another note, SRAM dumped Lance today. Oakley is the only holdout. Rumors have it Lance is giving a speech tomorrow.

What a soap opera.

[PoundSand]

Originally Posted by cogitate

Yes, I noted that many posts ago, but overall, his up and down career, like Stephan Roche, is probably how the human body does react to competitive stress over years. Good year, bad years.

Are we under the impression that people doping are somehow incapable of having up and down years?

[Ben Carufel]

Not sure if this was posted before. Pretty silly to read now. It's an internal PowerPoint presentation put together by TREK when they dumped LeMond, supposedly for "business reasons" that had nothing to do with his comments about Armstrong to the media.

Now that the TREK/Lance love affair is over, perhaps it's time for them to apologize to LeMond for giving him grief about his comments.

http://inrng.com/medias/docs/Trek_PPT_FINAL.pdf

[cogitate]

Originally Posted by PoundSand

Are we under the impression that people doping are somehow incapable of having up and down years?

Perhaps they do, perhaps they don't. I would like to think so. I wanted to believe Lance in the first few tours, but he seemed too over the top consistent. I didn't stop watching the tour, but really focused on just looking at the scenario from the helicopter shots after 03 or so.

[swimmer]

Originally Posted by cogitate

Rumors have it Lance is giving a speech tomorrow.

What a soap opera.

I think LA will be speaking at the 15th anniversary of livestrong tonight but I doubt he'll talk about USADA/confess.

[swimmer]

Big news of the consequences of a corrupt UCI.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...ontinue_261940

[mrt10x]

UCI pulls his titles.. he deserves it, but the UCI is still a bunch of crooks an cheats...the entire sport is dirty.

[Sutherngintelmen]

Originally Posted by swimmer

Big news of the consequences of a corrupt UCI.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...ontinue_261940

Going to be a long cold winter in professional cycling.

It's a shame, and I don't blame the athletes. I believe they were all doping - almost all anyway.

Too bad regulators weren't quick enough afoot to run a fair race when the race was being run. Now that justice is here there are no winners.

[wedgeman]

Originally Posted by mrt10x

UCI pulls his titles.. he deserves it, but the UCI is still a bunch of crooks an cheats...the entire sport is dirty.

Yup. The whole thing is dirtier than week old boxers

It started out as a witch hunt and went downhill from there. I think he deserves to keep the medals. When he said he was tired of fighting it I think he realized that it didn't matter what he did - they would still assume him guilty.

The fact is that none of his samples ever showed positive. Ever. I presume they were kept and have been tested again? If not then the agency is negligent and should not contest it. If they did retest it why continue this?

It's all mute. Now the French can go back to claiming they can ride a bike better than anybody. Reality be damned.

[cogitate]

Originally Posted by wedgeman

Yup. The whole thing is dirtier than week old boxers

It started out as a witch hunt and went downhill from there. I think he deserves to keep the medals. When he said he was tired of fighting it I think he realized that it didn't matter what he did - they would still assume him guilty.

The fact is that none of his samples ever showed positive. Ever. I presume they were kept and have been tested again? If not then the agency is negligent and should not contest it. If they did retest it why continue this?

It's all mute. Now the French can go back to claiming they can ride a bike better than anybody. Reality be damned.

Read the report. Sobering. The positives were covered up and lied about. People were threatened and bribed. It aint just about the doping, but about all the lies, coverups and bullying.

Lessee, Betsy Andreu was threatened, said she should have a baseball bat smashed over her head for outing Lance. Greg Lemond was forced to apologize for publicly stating dismay that Lance was working with Dr. Ferrari. Trek then drops Lemond bikes, costing Greg 35 million. A rider is offered 300,000 by Lance to say Greg doped, rider wouldn't do it.

Three lines there, and there's more. Where theres smoke, there's fire.

[Mercury264]

Originally Posted by cogitate

Read the report. Sobering. The positives were covered up and lied about. People were threatened and bribed. It aint just about the doping, but about all the lies, coverups and bullying.

Lessee, Betsy Andreu was threatened, said she should have a baseball bat smashed over her head for outing Lance. Greg Lemond was forced to apologize for publicly stating dismay that Lance was working with Dr. Ferrari. Trek then drops Lemond bikes, costing Greg 35 million. A rider is offered 300,000 by Lance to say Greg doped, rider wouldn't do it.

Three lines there, and there's more. Where theres smoke, there's fire.

Yup. Other riders have doped and rightly deserve our contempt but Armstrong was just a bullying doping cunt who even now, can't admit to what he's done.

[swimmer]

Originally Posted by wedgeman

The fact is that none of his samples ever showed positive.