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Old 10-21-2012, 10:09 AM   #27211
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Ah, I was aiming along the lines of a replacement composite stock and scout rail with scope for the hunting bit, but that would be over time.
It would be kind of a shame to do much in the way of mods to an M1 IMHO, although I suppose a stock with attached rail could be replaced with the OEM stock when you wanted it back to original.

I wouldn't mind having one, doubt that I'd shoot it much though.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:22 AM   #27212
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It would be kind of a shame to do much in the way of mods to an M1 IMHO, although I suppose a stock with attached rail could be replaced with the OEM stock when you wanted it back to original.

I wouldn't mind having one, doubt that I'd shoot it much though.
Yeah, I wouldn't plan to do any permanent modifications to it. The rails I'm looking at just replace the upper hand guard.

I may skip the composite stock if I can get a nice wood one for a good price, or save money and skip that step entirely if the stock it comes with is in good shape with a proper fit.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:35 AM   #27213
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Yeah, I wouldn't plan to do any permanent modifications to it. The rails I'm looking at just replace the upper hand guard.

I may skip the composite stock if I can get a nice wood one for a good price, or save money and skip that step entirely if the stock it comes with is in good shape with a proper fit.
I have a SA M1A "loaded" that I bought roughly five years ago. It was on sale at the time and a good buy, but came with a green plastic stock. I'm thinking I want to find an old-school wood stock for it. The plastic one is very functional and has a nice recoil pad, but just doesn't look right to my eye.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:39 AM   #27214
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I have a SA M1A "loaded" that I bought roughly five years ago. It was on sale at the time and a good buy, but came with a green plastic stock. I'm thinking I want to find an old-school wood stock for it. The plastic one is very functional and has a nice recoil pad, but just doesn't look right to my eye.
Yeah, I think there's some "cool" looking M1/M1As out there, but I think they look their absolute best in wood and steel.

I'm just thinking ahead in case the stock it comes with is loose and has trouble grouping.
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Old 10-21-2012, 11:40 AM   #27215
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M14 Stocks+

EG and HC,

Try here for M-14 and M1 stocks: http://www.fredsm14stocks.com/catalog.asp

And EG, don't sweat the loose stock issue. The M1/M1A are really easy to glass bed. I can help you with that little project if you need or want to do it. There are a few little tricks of metal to metal fit that can also make a big difference in group size.
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Old 10-21-2012, 11:42 AM   #27216
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Whatever I get will be primarily for plinking and range use, maybe a little bit of for-fun competition.

Why no go on the hunting?


Originally I was looking at minis before. I want a 30 tactical model, but they're all gone already. There's still some 14s out there, but I feel like some cartridge in .30 cal will cover a wider range in activities for me even if it's BC isn't as nice as .223.

With an AR I could shoot .223 for cheap and get a different upper in .300AAC, but I honestly don't feel like I'm going to find any quality ARs in my <$750 price range in stock any time soon.

The CMP Garand comes in cheaper than all of the above right now.

Great gun, I believe that it was Gen. Patton who described it as the best infantry weapon ever built. That said, they are heavy (compared to a hunting rifle), which is a plus or minus depending upon whether you are carrying or shooting it. It is after all a 30-06, which is about the practical recoil limit for MOST shooters to shoot well and comfortably. The stock is intended for use with iron sights so IF you add a mount of some kind and scope it you will find it difficult at best to get any kind of 'cheek weld' so that your eye naturally lines up with the center of the scope. Yes, you can get those lace on cheek pads, there is one around here somewhere..... One consideration for hunting use is what your state may have for magazine capacity restrictions. You can get modified clips (yes, it does really use a clip rather than a detachable magazine) that will limit it to 2 or 5 rounds, I think that I once made some that made single loading easier as well. You can, with some dexterity also load the standard clip with something less than the standard 8 rounds. My dad said that they could freeze up but that was while living in a foxhole somewhere southeast of 'the Bulge" in the 40's, if you aren't living in rain, snow and mud they are pretty reliable, bolt guns were freezing under the same conditions. They are a vanishing breed, I believe that my CMP gun cost $165, some 25 years ago, lots of what they are issuing now are 'lend-lease' guns returned by our allies. There will not likely ever be more made, no doubt some will keep trickling onto the market as those of us 'past due date' die off and our significant others' have to figure out what to due with the stuff we accumulated. I honestly prefer my M1A to my M-1 but they are harder to find and generally cost more, grab an M-1 then start saving for the 'next one'!


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Old 10-21-2012, 11:52 AM   #27217
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Thinking about getting a CMP garand as a first rifle.

Bad idea or not?
I think that is a great idea. I got mine back when they were $69.00 delivered. I have shot matches with it and toted it in the hunting fields. Great gun. I must admit that it is not the best choice for hunting but it will work just fine if a bit heavy.

I never needed to bed mine as the wood to metal fits were ok, and after adjusting some of the gas system fit, it will shoot military ball into 1.5-2" groups, and do about an inch with handloads it likes.

I really like it, but I like the M1A a bit better.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:16 PM   #27218
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I think that is a great idea. I got mine back when they were $69.00 delivered. I have shot matches with it and toted it in the hunting fields. Great gun. I must admit that it is not the best choice for hunting but it will work just fine if a bit heavy.

I never needed to bed mine as the wood to metal fits were ok, and after adjusting some of the gas system fit, it will shoot military ball into 1.5-2" groups, and do about an inch with handloads it likes.

I really like it, but I like the M1A a bit better.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:19 PM   #27219
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hey buildit that's pretty good shooting with an LC9. I just shot mine for the first time and can't hit shit

trigger felt great dry firing but keeping it on target is a different story. Going to do the usual snap-cap routine, but was wondering if you've had anything done to the trigger? It feels pretty good in my hand and I think I'm going to like carrying it- I really expected to be at least staying on the paper right out of the box.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:48 PM   #27220
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hey buildit that's pretty good shooting with an LC9. I just shot mine for the first time and can't hit shit

trigger felt great dry firing but keeping it on target is a different story. Going to do the usual snap-cap routine, but was wondering if you've had anything done to the trigger? It feels pretty good in my hand and I think I'm going to like carrying it- I really expected to be at least staying on the paper right out of the box.


Ditto- I'm not terrible with mine, but close
I am improving, but it is a tough little thing with which to shoot well
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:51 PM   #27221
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Can anybody here speak to the notion that pre-'64 Win 1894s are necessarily of a higher quality than the later builds? I'm trying to replace my lost trusty .32 from my childhood, and since I don't even know what year it was (likely an early version), I'm not convinced that I really care that some of the parts on the newer guns were made from stamped steel.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:15 PM   #27222
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Can anybody here speak to the notion that pre-'64 Win 1894s are necessarily of a higher quality than the later builds? I'm trying to replace my lost trusty .32 from my childhood, and since I don't even know what year it was (likely an early version), I'm not convinced that I really care that some of the parts on the newer guns were made from stamped steel.

In my experience theres little difference in the 94's. Biggest pre 64 stuff was model 70 bolt actions.

In the newer 94's the crossbolt safety is a pain in the ass but pre cross bolt or the post crossbolt thumb safety arent much of an issue.
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Old 10-21-2012, 02:27 PM   #27223
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In my experience theres little difference in the 94's. Biggest pre 64 stuff was model 70 bolt actions.

In the newer 94's the crossbolt safety is a pain in the ass but pre cross bolt or the post crossbolt thumb safety arent much of an issue.
Mine was a half-cock safety - IIRC the crossbolts didn't come out until the early 90's.

I guess I'm just trying to decide if there's enough of a difference between the pre- and post-64s to justify the $500 or so difference in price. From what I've read, probably not, other than the purist definition of "quality".
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Mine was a half-cock safety - IIRC the crossbolts didn't come out until the early 90's.

I guess I'm just trying to decide if there's enough of a difference between the pre- and post-64s to justify the $500 or so difference in price. From what I've read, probably not, other than the purist definition of "quality".
I'd haunt some pawn shops for a post 64 up to around the 80's after deer season is done.
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Old 10-21-2012, 02:53 PM   #27225
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hey buildit that's pretty good shooting with an LC9. I just shot mine for the first time and can't hit shit

trigger felt great dry firing but keeping it on target is a different story. Going to do the usual snap-cap routine, but was wondering if you've had anything done to the trigger? It feels pretty good in my hand and I think I'm going to like carrying it- I really expected to be at least staying on the paper right out of the box.
After a few times out with the LC9, you'll be able to shoot it pretty well. I can pretty much put them where I want to with mine, but also have the LCP and can't shoot it for shit. Big difference in shootability, in trade for front pocket carry ease.
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