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Old 10-22-2012, 10:26 AM   #556
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Lance made a critical mistake. He really thought he could get away with it.

In retrospect, he did not have any results short of a stage win prior to his cancer. He was probably doped for that win as well.

He should never have doped, and with his post cancer strength to weight ratio, would have probably got top ten in the Tour. He could have been still looked at as a demi god, I mean, no cancer survivor comes back to even race the Tour.

Then, to get his aggression out, he could have started a dog fight ring, consisting of only lap dogs, like poodles, yorkies, etc. they would wear yellow rubber collars that said "dog strong". He would have made a lot of money, the French like underdogs and they would pay to see little poodles try to rip the yellow collars off the other little poodles.

When busted, he would not have lost any endorsements or any results, I mean, what he did was not in his sport. He would have been lauded for sticking up for the little dogs, and more popular than ever.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:42 AM   #557
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Yup. Other riders have doped and rightly deserve our contempt but Armstrong was just a bullying doping cunt who even now, can't admit to what he's done.

I wanted to believe he was clean for years, but had doubts. Now the countdown has started for real to the day he comes clean, and admits he doped...
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:55 AM   #558
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My thoughts run in this direction:

He either didn't dope and won (no positives, remember?)

or

He DID do it and did it better and beat em at their own game
Hmmmm, did you get a preview of the Report????

The whole thing is pretty disappointing, I remember back in late '80s or early '90s reading about him when he was the Texas Jr. Champ and the name stuck so I kept an eye out for it. Zip ahead to '04 Tour and I'm in Iraq and explaining to my team how the Stage Races work and how important team work is etc. they're all hooked because it gives us a glimmer of pride and glory from a pretty lousy place. I'm not planning on contacting them to ask if they're tracking all this, I'd rather they keep the memories of us cheering for him in the Chow Hall after a hot and shitty day outside the wire....
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:58 AM   #559
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... The fact is that none of his samples ever showed positive. Ever...
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:22 PM   #560
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Lance made a critical mistake. He really thought he could get away with it.

In retrospect, he did not have any results short of a stage win prior to his cancer. He was probably doped for that win as well.

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He was actually a world champion prior to cancer.
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:31 PM   #561
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He was actually a world champion prior to cancer.
Not any more.
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:46 PM   #562
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He was actually a world champion prior to cancer.
True, I was referring to the Tour.


Ya really think he won the worlds clean?
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:47 PM   #563
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Not any more.
I guess he loses that, too.
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:48 PM   #564
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:41 PM   #565
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I'm surprised that we're not talking about how these fuckers were JUNKIES! The only difference is that the dragon they were chasing was victory. They lived like criminals, they were routinely breaking the law, cheating worthless scum.

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Old 10-22-2012, 04:23 PM   #566
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As expected.

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Old 10-22-2012, 11:09 PM   #567
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:21 AM   #568
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Bah. Like some one else said the whole sport at this level is doping and they have been doping for years.
Long before lance even strapped on his first pair of cleats.

I wish the asshat would have come clean since some of the work he did with and for cancer awareness was really good stuff. And his foundation has become something.

Oh well.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:26 AM   #569
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From Joe Lindsey's Boulder Report:

"He is left, still, with a list of results that would make him a talented racer by any stretch: two stages of the Tour de France (1993, 1995); the 1995 San Sebastian Classic and Tour du Pont; 1996 Fleche Wallonne; and his standout result, the 1993 world championship."
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:02 AM   #570
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disgusted by this entire process. USADA should be canned for wasting out tax dollars. WTF did this entire process accomplish?

the entire process was scripted. what are the chances of ALL riders that testified stopping drugs all at same time. sure would like to know what tactics was used in squeezing out confessions out of all riders.

imagine being in their shoes of facing jail time threats from US district attorney vs agreeing to a confession with little to no penalties. you can bet your ass, those confessions/deals didn't come without credible threats.

this abuse of power reminds me of how America has more folks locked up for pot than anywhere on earth. USADA has to justify the 10 million dollars they receive from tax payers each year. just like the DEA has to justify all the millions spend on war on drugs by locking up folks for pot.

I'm beyond caring if Lance doped or not. Not much disputing Lance has done way more good and bad. for all I know he stayed clean while rest of teammates doped to keep up.

what is 100% for sure ... USADA has zero concrete evidence of doping. it's 100% based on testimony. which regardless of how may millions $$ USDA spent to build up. it's still testimony without any hard evidence.

soon as I dig out my old Livestrong rubber bracelet. will be wearing it to show support.
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