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Old 08-18-2012, 07:01 AM   #31
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125 GG Randonne

My local GG dealer says there will be a couple of the 125 GG Randonne's in the country next week price will be $5,549.00 good news!.
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:13 PM   #32
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I offroad tested it as well as the scorpa 125 4strokes and I can tel that for trial purpose the scorpa feels lighter than the randonnč.
The randonnč comes with better components than the scorpa. Especially the clutch components looks cheap on the scorpa. But still I prefere the handling of the scorpa. The gasgas is still good to practice easy trials. But don't expect to climb big rocks!
I also wish they put a 250cc engine instead on those bikes which has been a perfect ratio weigth/power.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:23 AM   #33
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The fact that the Gas Gas has a Chinese made motor, isnt something that gets shouted from the rooftops.
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Old 09-11-2012, 09:16 AM   #34
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The fact that the Gas Gas has a Chinese made motor, isnt something that gets shouted from the rooftops.
Is that such a bad thing? What sort of reputation have those motors been developing?
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:44 AM   #35
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The fact that the Gas Gas has a Chinese made motor, isnt something that gets shouted from the rooftops.
I've never heard anyone bragging too loud about their Spanish made components either.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:56 AM   #36
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[QUOTE=Twin-shocker;19567004]The fact that the Gas Gas has a Chinese made motor, isnt something that gets shouted from the rooftops.[/Quote

Or is the little Yamaha motor made at one of Yamaha's factories in Brazil or Italy ???

I do remember when the little Scorpa came out the loudest criticism in the US came from the Gas Gas camp. Now they are making the same bike.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:23 PM   #37
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As far as I have been able to ascertain (and believe me, I've been looking into this a lot recently), the engine in the current GasGas Randonne and the current 2012 model Scorpa TY125F (European model) is basically a [licenced?] copy of the original Yamaha 123cc engine you find in the TTR125 - ie. with an electric starter fitted - but it is not made by Yamaha at all.

However, I also understand that for 2013, GasGas at least will be offering the Randonne with a bigger bore (possibly an aftermarket kit, either dealer or factory fitted) which I imagine will be the same as the 163cc kit currently available for the existing/earlier Yamaha-engined Scorpa's, and which was basically the same as factory fitted to the TY-F200.

Now that, with it's street legal lights and an e-starter could very well make the perfect trail/play/dual-sport bike?

Jx

ps. Away from the factory/dealer offerings, another option is that in Europe at least, the Yamaha Trailway comes as a 125cc - so presumably they share the same bottom end/crankcases? (which I have yet to have confirmed) - If so, then I imagine fitting a TW200 or even a XT225 engine into the Scorpa or GasGas frame shouldn't be too much of a stretch - as long as the head/carb and ancillaries fit into the space available...
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:04 AM   #38
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As far as I have been able to ascertain (and believe me, I've been looking into this a lot recently), the engine in the current GasGas Randonne and the current 2012 model Scorpa TY125F (European model) is basically a [licenced?] copy of the original Yamaha 123cc engine you find in the TTR125 - ie. with an electric starter fitted - but it is not made by Yamaha at all.

However, I also understand that for 2013, GasGas at least will be offering the Randonne with a bigger bore (possibly an aftermarket kit, either dealer or factory fitted) which I imagine will be the same as the 163cc kit currently available for the existing/earlier Yamaha-engined Scorpa's, and which was basically the same as factory fitted to the TY-F200.

Now that, with it's street legal lights and an e-starter could very well make the perfect trail/play/dual-sport bike?

Jx

ps. Away from the factory/dealer offerings, another option is that in Europe at least, the Yamaha Trailway comes as a 125cc - so presumably they share the same bottom end/crankcases? (which I have yet to have confirmed) - If so, then I imagine fitting a TW200 or even a XT225 engine into the Scorpa or GasGas frame shouldn't be too much of a stretch - as long as the head/carb and ancillaries fit into the space available...
I only kind of talked to importer about 4 - 5 weeks ago, at the KC Trials meet... He had one of the randonee, anyone could test ride (the 125 that is).

I asked, because in the back of my head I thought neater than old reflux's and with electric start maybe the wife could ride it, and we could use it in town instead of the car...

But, He said to make the bike street legal in the USA, it has to undergo stringent EPA certification, which costs upwards of 15-20 Thousand dollars... So at the time of the discussion, it didn't sound like you could tag one, in the foreseeable future. I then moved on and watched other stuff going on in the area.

But, as they always say, Consumers decide what will be and what goes the way of billions of other failed to sell ideas, I would imagine if there was enough bikes to be sold in the USA for such an endeavor as the certification, it could be done. I bet if they sell 50 of these a year (IMHO a LOT to sell), that means each bike would have to just have about $400 added to the price tag? or absorbed as "overhead" for all gasgas models that already are too high (like everything else) because of the friggin weak dollar!
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:22 AM   #39
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I only kind of talked to importer about 4 - 5 weeks ago, at the KC Trials meet... He had one of the randonee, anyone could test ride (the 125 that is).

I asked, because in the back of my head I thought neater than old reflux's and with electric start maybe the wife could ride it, and we could use it in town instead of the car...

But, He said to make the bike street legal in the USA, it has to undergo stringent EPA certification, which costs upwards of 15-20 Thousand dollars... So at the time of the discussion, it didn't sound like you could tag one, in the foreseeable future. I then moved on and watched other stuff going on in the area.

But, as they always say, Consumers decide what will be and what goes the way of billions of other failed to sell ideas, I would imagine if there was enough bikes to be sold in the USA for such an endeavor as the certification, it could be done. I bet if they sell 50 of these a year (IMHO a LOT to sell), that means each bike would have to just have about $400 added to the price tag? or absorbed as "overhead" for all gasgas models that already are too high (like everything else) because of the friggin weak dollar!
Yes, it is crazy... I was chatting to Adrian at Lewisport recently about exactly the same thing... what is so stupid is that this bike meets all the current European emissions legislation already, so you'd think they could just accept that? (ok, maybe not in CA, but everywhere else...)

He said he doubted it would [ever] be 50 state compliant, and was certainly not intending to sell them as street legal in CA... however, I know other states have more lenient rules regarding registering dual-sport machines (I DS'ed a Honda XR650R in Nevada at the end of 2007 for example, fitted a lighting kit and got it inspected at the DMV - done.) - so what is to stop anyone getting one of these and registering it yourself - inspected in Arizona or Utah for example? - especially as it has ALL the street legal lighting and other dual-sport equipment fitted from the factory!

Jx

PS. I have a Honda TLR200 back in the UK - like you say, this is essentially the modern equivalent!
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