2013 Dakar - On 4 wheels

[silverstone]

Maybe off topic for Dakar 13 as far as to what cars are in the rally this year, but I often wonder how Schlesser would make out if he was to come back to the Dakar these days with his buggy.
I have always liked him in the Dakar and his driving style and what the car may lack in competitiveness (if any) Schlesser can make up with racing knowledge and the "French" attitude
As we know he is very involved in the African Race and when I last spoke to him in Tunisia 2010 I asked if he would do the Dakar in S/America and his reply was "that the stages are more like WRC stages I'm not interested" who knows

[tehdutchie]

Originally Posted by troy safari carpente

That was the Dessoude (NISSAN) team from France... they jammed a Nissan (V8 or V6...?) into one of the ex-Mitsubishi Pajero T1 chassis' and called it a "Dessoude Proto" something or other.

That one is in Holland now as well as one dutch mitsu burned down in russia, next thing is that the thing got totalled in morocco..anyone have a spare 300,000 euro to get me a new second hand one?

[tehdutchie]

Originally Posted by troy safari carpente

That's interesting... I had not heard about the ford engine transplant. I can understand the Netherlands entry (RiWi) choosing to run an engine of any choice (not bound to any manufacturer as such) that gives them the best performance/possibility under the new production based motor regulations for T1... but that the Petrobras/Mitsubishi backed effort would have an engine of another manufacturer (when the car has MITSUBISHI all over it) seems curious?

Correct, engines now need to be production based, so they have chosen high end powerful V8's, they will now outrun (as the Toyota's do) the X3's that had to revertnback to standard BMW diesels...

[PeteN95]

Originally Posted by vander

Carlos Sainz & Nasser Al-Attiyah are in with a buggy and sponsored by Red Bull.
The cars re being built by Jeffries Racing in California and tested by Thierry Magnaldi.

In a single buggy!? Who is driving??

[Brodovitch]

Originally Posted by PeteN95

In a single buggy!? Who is driving??

I doubt either Carlos or Nasser can drive and navigate at the same time. This should be interesting

[ZequeArgentina]

There were several "mixes" of engines.
They used to run the Mitsu V6 4.0liters, some the turbo 2.0 from the Lancer EVO.
There was a Mercedes ML with a Toyota Diesel engine.


The new Mitsubishi from the Petrobras-Mitsubishi team definately sounds V8 (it raced in Morrocco). Which V8 does Mitsu has?

[troy safari carpente]

Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina

There were several "mixes" of engines.
They used to run the Mitsu V6 4.0liters, some the turbo 2.0 from the Lancer EVO.
There was a Mercedes ML with a Toyota Diesel engine.


The new Mitsubishi from the Petrobras-Mitsubishi team definately sounds V8 (it raced in Morrocco). Which V8 does Mitsu has?

I know there have been a lot of "wonderful" combinations of engines/chassis (Pajero's with V8 LS1 Chevy's engines, etc.) and if you are a private team (not a manufacturer/factory team) then there is no reason to prevent mix 'n matching.

That's what surprised me about you comment that the Petrobras Mitsu would have a FORD V8 in it...

Mitsubishi (via Hyundai) have an alloyblock V8 (8A80), which is a 4.5 liter GDi petrol engine from a couple of their (now discontinued) luxury sedan model range.

With some homologation paperwork, some internal tweaking and mate it up to a sequential transmission/transfer box (4WD), then perhaps this is the V8 powerplant that you "heard" in marocco, now that Mitsubishi has gone from GDi Diesel, back to V6 petrol and now (it seems most everyone who can, is turning to new generation quad cam) V8 power .

[Balkan Boy]

Originally Posted by Brodovitch

I doubt either Carlos or Nasser can drive and navigate at the same time. This should be interesting

I'd pay money to see/hear Sainz and Nasser in the same car.


Nasser is fronting his own team (again) and Red Bull is pushing Sainz. And the 'buggy' is as much of a buggy as Gordon's Hammer was.
It's deja-vu all over again.

http://4x4racenews.com/user/image/da...sser-buggy.pdf

[troy safari carpente]

Originally Posted by PeteN95

In a single buggy!? Who is driving??

Originally Posted by Balkan Boy

I'd pay money to see/hear Sainz and Nasser in the same car.


Nasser is fronting his own team (again) and Red Bull is pushing Sainz. And the 'buggy' is as much of a buggy as Gordon's Hammer was.
It's deja-vu all over again.

http://4x4racenews.com/user/image/da...sser-buggy.pdf

THREE ? "buggies" = one for Nasser, one for Sainz - and one for magnaldi? (you really thought either nasser or carlos was gonna take a "back seat" to the other...??! ... )

(this has sprinklings of the whole Gordon/Nasser 2012 scenario written all over it )

http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/Bestofrallylive/News/More-Dakar-action-for-Al-Attiyah/(tag)/Nasser%20Al-Attiyah

Has anyone seen a picture of this "buggy"...

[tehdutchie]

The only Mitsu supported Mitsu is the Spinelli one (ASX body work style), that one might run a Mitsu V8 (dont think they will though), the rest are private cars running their own engines, all ford v8.

[ZequeArgentina]

I would bet the Mitsu ASX has also a Ford V8 in it.
My guess is because the car is developed and preapred in France by ex Mitsu Ralliart head, Viardot. This same Viardot is helping the Nederlanders (prepared by Wevers Sports), including the switch to Ford V8.
So it is a question of economy of scales, and finding same problems to takle, and same solutions.

[tehdutchie]

Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina

I would bet the Mitsu ASX has also a Ford V8 in it.
My guess is because the car is developed and preapred in France by ex Mitsu Ralliart head, Viardot. This same Viardot is helping the Nederlanders (prepared by Wevers Sports), including the switch to Ford V8.
So it is a question of economy of scales, and finding same problems to takle, and same solutions.

Prepping for the Dutch cars is done locally, but indeed with help from Viardot, wo can still built you one , should you fancy it

[homerj]

Originally Posted by Balkan Boy

I'd pay money to see/hear Sainz and Nasser in the same car.


Nasser is fronting his own team (again) and Red Bull is pushing Sainz. And the 'buggy' is as much of a buggy as Gordon's Hammer was.
It's deja-vu all over again.

http://4x4racenews.com/user/image/da...sser-buggy.pdf

Is Robby going to be racing this year? It'd be a shame to see him pack it up after all of the BS with the tire inflation system last year.

[38thfoot]

I am sure its on here somewhere but was too lazy to wade through every post, espcially given how highly emotions were running; what was the final score with RG Hummer. Did he win an appeal or was he excluded?

cheers

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[troy safari carpente]

Originally Posted by 38thfoot

Did he win an appeal or was he excluded?

cheers

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He was excluded... The FIA council/jury upheld the findings and he was excluded from the official results.