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Old 10-27-2012, 08:40 AM   #17716
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Selling an image and a lifestyle is branding. Harley probably does it better than anyone, but Ducati and BMW do it very well too. Honda makes pretty good bikes too, but they can't give away a new VFR1200 because none of us can describe who a Honda rider is. There are pages of posts about HD pirates, Aerostich-wearing BMW snobs, and Ducati owners hanging out in cafes dressed like Valentino Rossi, drinking espresso and chatting it up with models. We identify with the lifestyle and we buy into the program. Apple's average laptop sells for 30% more than the industry average, but they all do basically the same things with the same basic parts, but Sony never had a Steve Jobs or catchy new Coldplay song in their commercials.

I'm not a Harley guy, but I'm a sales and marketing guy, and when you can get people tattooing your brand all over their bodies it's something that has to be admired. It's literally branding personified.

I just wish most HD riders didn't ride like such twats.
i agree that h-d is all about marketing, and they have it down. whether they can successfully extend it to newer riders, is still an open question, and much debated amongst motorcyclists. (and marketing guys.)

i don't like h-d the company simply cuz it eff'd erik buell. i don't like the h-d bikes cuz they're about as exciting to ride as a toyota camry is to drive. (imo, of course.) i have nothing against h-d riders or owners, and i don't think they ride like twats. most i have seen ride like old ladies, but at least most know to keep outta the fast lane. so, i got no problem w/that. and i got no problem w/whatever reason it is they wanna own and/or ride these bikes. that's their deal, not mine.

re: the vfr1200, as someone who owned the original '83 interceptor, and who has a relative w/a more modern vfr, i can tell you the reason that honda can't give away the new 1200vfr has nothing to do w/being able to describe who a honda rider is. (whatever that means.) it has everything to do with it being a bike that was built for a market that does not exist. the vfr1200 is a big fat 600lb pig. touring guys want something more touring oriented, sport guys want something more sport oriented, and no sport-touring guys want a big fat 600lb motorcycle. my vfr800 owning relative is a big guy about 6'-4", 240, (not fat); he checked out the new 1200vfr and said his 1200v-strom is a much better ride...

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Old 10-27-2012, 08:42 AM   #17717
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:43 AM   #17718
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+1 to josephvman. I've owned two Harleys. Frankly, they sucked, but I didn't know any better at the time. I now have 3 Triumphs, a Ural, and a Honda, all of which I love. Each moto has its own character that compliments a certain type of person. At the end of the day, I'm an Equal Opportunity Offender. I make fun of everyone, including myself. For some reason though, most of my Harley riding friends really get their panties in a bunch over the joshing.

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Old 10-27-2012, 08:50 AM   #17719
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Maybe you don't make fun of all bikes as much as you think you do.
Seriously? This thread is dedicated to making fun of people, and you're going to come in here and get all sensitive on us?

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:02 AM   #17720
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Awww.... poor baby can't understand that people have different tastes... :(
And you yourself? Deal with a difference of opinion by cranking out an ad-hom.

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:38 AM   #17721
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Killing off Buell was a huge mistake, especially since once they starting ditching the Sportster motor the bikes got much more refined and started to have wider appeal. The brand was doomed for failure from the beginning by marketing through the HD dealer network. Basically HD determined that it was easier to force-feed the HD dealers Buell inventory when the HD market was blowing and going than trying to setup actual Buell dealers and build the brand. Once the bikes leave the factory they really cease to be the manufacturer's problem, until the point when the dealers are loaded up and refuse to continue playing the game. Once Harley dealers could get virtually all the HD inventory they needed, and then some, HD could no longer play the "if you want this, you have to take this" game with Buell, and the rest is history.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:52 AM   #17722
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Seriously? This thread is dedicated to making fun of people, and you're going to come in here and get all sensitive on us?

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Oh, i see now. You can make fun of people, but people can't make fun of you. Noted.





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Old 10-27-2012, 10:34 AM   #17723
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i don't like h-d the company simply cuz it eff'd erik buell.
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Erik Buell "eff'd" Eric Buell.
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:54 AM   #17724
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But probably the safest way to roll with it
Is there a seat on this thing???
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:19 AM   #17725
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Is there a seat on this thing???
I had the same problem once. Corbin said my seat would be ready in 2 weeks, and 3 months later I drove out to california so they could finish it while I waited for an hour.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:23 AM   #17726
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Erik Buell "eff'd" Eric Buell.
NOT. eriK is doing just fine, thank you. and his future success will make h-d look even stupider than it already looks, by failing to take advantage of what eriK could have offered to h-d.

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Old 10-27-2012, 11:27 AM   #17727
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NOT. eriK is doing just fine, thank you. and his future success will make h-d look even stupider than it already looks, by failing to take advantage of what eriK could have offered to h-d.

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I know Erik is doing fine. But it was indeed Erik who "eff'd" Erik at the MoCo.

If you think what Harley-David looks stupid there is no helping you. They are doing fine and know there market better than just about any business on the planet. I would never own another feet forwad bike of any make but it doesn't mean they are bad. In fact feet forward bikes account for more than 70% of the road bike market. So spout your folly all you wish it won't harm a thing.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:31 AM   #17728
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I know Erik is doing fine. But it was indeed Erik who "eff'd" Erik at the MoCo.
no, wrong. h-d eff'd erik, erik didn't eff erik. unless, you think that erik eff'd erik by agreeing to hook up w/h-d in the first place...

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Old 10-27-2012, 11:37 AM   #17729
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no, wrong. h-d eff'd erik, erik didn't eff erik. unless, you think that erik eff'd erik by agreeing to hook up w/h-d in the first place...

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You know not of what you post. Go talk to Erik and ask him why they pulled the plug on Buell.
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:02 PM   #17730
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You know not of what you post. Go talk to Erik and ask him why they pulled the plug on Buell.
i have read enough, including info from some insiders, to know that erik didn't eff erik. ya, i am sure erik will say, "h-d shut me down because i screwed myself".

erik was too smart and too inovative and too honest for h-d, but that doesn't mean he eff'd himself, he was still hoesd by h-d.

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