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Old 10-22-2012, 02:19 PM   #31
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I haven't heard any rumblings outside of SA. As it has been mentioned, there have been suggestions of expanding to new countries in SA, Brazil, Colombia, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Venezuela were among those I've heard mentioned. Logistically, NZ becomes quite difficult for most all involved as is Australia. China, Russia, Mongolia would be nice. I feel that Africa, as fun as the Rally Maroc was last week, is still too tumultuous for a major Dakar effort.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:28 PM   #32
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DAKAR... anywhere in the world... really...

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... it could be done in Australia. THe land is there, the politics is no problem, logistics...? Hell they pack the Paris-Dakar onto a boat in LeHavre and ship it off to Sth America for the last four years... how hard is it?
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Logistically, NZ becomes quite difficult for most all involved, as is Australia. China, Russia, Mongolia would be nice.
This;

Port of loading: Le Havre, FR
Port of discharge: Wellington, NZ
Distance: 11149 nautical miles
Vessel speed: 14 knots
Time: 33 days 4 hours

Port of loading: Le Havre, FR
Port of discharge: Perth, AU
Distance: 9371 nautical miles
Vessel speed: 14 knots
Time: 27 days 21 hours

Port of loading: Le Havre, FR
Port of discharge: Buenos Aires, AR
Distance: 6125 nautical miles
Vessel speed: 14 knots
Time: 18 days 6 hours

Port of loading: Le Havre, FR
Port of discharge: Callao, Peru
Distance: 5998 nautical miles
Vessel speed: 14 knots
Time: 17 days 20 hours

Port of loading: Le Havre, FR
Port of discharge: Xingang, China
Distance: 10806 nautical miles
Vessel speed: 14 knots
Time: 32 days 4 hours




It's funny how people's flat world perception of the "globe" can be...?

Rule out one but not the other (as far as distance/logistics is concerned)...
When in reality, it's a matter of . if the desire is there... and the dollars,

... then the DAKAR product can be manufactured anywhere... really.
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:10 PM   #33
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The Silk Way Rally could be the key, Russian and Uzbek oil money, start on the red square, include the bikes this time and ship everything back via the black sea. Easy peasy...

The best received rallye landscapes is what i heard from some of the truckers that went there.

My vote...

http://www.silkwayrally.com/en/

http://www.aso.fr/us/20120308-aso-to...y-in-2012.html

http://www.silkwayrally.com/images/swr12_route_big.jpg
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:17 PM   #34
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^^^ +1

I have heard good things about this event also... never understood why no MOTO's though...?
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:21 PM   #35
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^^^ +1

I have heard good things about this event also... never understood why no MOTO's though...?
It can get a little muddy when wet....
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:27 PM   #36
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It can get a little muddy when wet....

So what...? All the new generation rally 450's from KaTooM, Husky, Yamaha and HRC have got high front fender front options...
and Cyril and Speedy have got the "co-operation lansdslide" thing in the mud worked out to a fine art... so where's the problem...???



As long as the put all the mudholes in the roadbook, and have pressure washer's at the CP's of course!
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It might get a little breslau kinda wet..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eavZq...eature=related
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:39 PM   #38
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Then again, i did spot some winches on the touratech options list for the BMWs (cough: Huskies)
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:43 PM   #39
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It might get a little breslau kinda wet..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eavZq...eature=related
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Then again, i did spot some winches on the touratech options list for the BMWs (cough: Huskies)
there are solutions for most everything...

"Low rally pipes and deep river crossings don't mix" i hear them say...

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Old 10-22-2012, 10:47 PM   #40
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i recently drove across Arizona ,Nevada and Utah ,they have some amazing terrain out there and vast exspanses of desert .If only they could get past the evironmental/government restrictions ,they would certainly have the conditions and terrain equal in difficulty to any Dakar .
Likely to see Dakar Leaving from Vegas one day ,?? probably not ,but what a place to start or finish from .
i suppose the thread on ADV here "Grand Rally" is as close as we may get !!!
Americans are struggling just to hold on to the local hare and hound 40 mile loop races in the deserts of the Western states. Between the government and the rapid environmentalist, NO FREAKING WAY! Yes there are miles and miles of beautiful open countryside mostly controlled by the government. And what isn't is broken up very piecemeal between private property, Indian tribes, etc. I imagine it's all Casey Folks (Best in the Desert promoter) can do to continue to run the 500 mile Vegas to Reno race in Nevada. It's just ugly and highly disappointing. The motto here is "Ride while you still can!"
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:02 AM   #41
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I don't know squat about the land down under so excuse my ignorance if these seems dumb....

Couldn't a Dakar, or any point to point rally, start in New Zealand with a few days of mountain tracks before boarding a ferry over to Aus ?

They had to cancel the Australian idea due to an infestation of dangerous drop bears.

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Old 10-23-2012, 09:21 AM   #42
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They had to cancel the Australian idea due to an infestation of dangerous drop bears.

Everything is lethal and deadly in Australia!!



Im telling ya, Im happy I made it home in 1 piece and will make sure to fumicate my bike when it arrives in France!
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:11 PM   #43
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:47 PM   #44
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Aussie Rally?

I think an Aussie rally sounds great. I don't know anything about the country but Sydney to Perth sounds like a great point to point and is *plenty* long enough - especially if you traipsed up into the Northern Territory.
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