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Old 11-11-2012, 04:36 AM   #226
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All while wearing funny hats and on twin shock bikes.
Gordy, I don't know you but I'm just trying to exchange ideas here and share my experience. Maybe we had two shocks, but we rode longer and harder than you do today with much better equipment. We did more with less. We would have ridden you into the ground.

Bill Blythe 1974 Colorado National at the top of a 3rd gear hillclimb

Manuel Soler 1978 Terrassa, Spain. Twin shocks no kicker

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Old 11-11-2012, 05:25 AM   #227
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I'm curious as to how many of you who object to no-stop have actually ridden no-stop.

In a couple of Twinshock events. One no stop at all, the next was the MWVTA National in Roswell last month that had a No Stop with a Foot Down rule. Both were very hard to get used to, as my Trials experience is not wired for that. I did not like it, but then again I really do suck at Trials anyway.



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Going back to no-stop isnt going to make a scrap of difference to the low numbers riding Brit championship series events. The main reason for low numbers is that the events are set out for maybe 6 riders, and are simply 2 hard for most of the others (even though they are riding easier sections!).

However lack of suitable land to run events completely off road, is the main problem facing UK national trialling at the moment. Most national level events are run along the lines of several different groups of sections, which in most cases are linked by riding between them on public roads.

The rules/legislation related to riding on public roads are currently being tightened up, and it seems very likely that riding on the road during competition events will be outlawed in the next few years.

Seems a great shame, but not sure there is anything that will prevent this happening.............and unless suitable land can be found to run national level events completely off road, the future doesnt look that bright for UK trialling.

Land access is now a big problem in America too. Don't let the "Public Land" byline that the BLM and the Forest Service uses fool ya, it's really not that public.



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Gordy, I don't know you but I'm just trying to exchange ideas here and share my experience. Maybe we had two shocks, but we rode longer and harder than you do today with much better equipment. We did more with less. We would have ridden you into the ground.

Bill Blythe 1974 Colorado National at the top of a 3rd gear hillclimb

Manuel Soler 1978 Terrassa, Spain. Twin shocks no kicker

Give up, Gordy. You'll lose this one.

Okay, I'll admit the reason I quoted this one is that I thought the pics were awesome.
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Old 11-11-2012, 05:30 AM   #228
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So we do get to go backwards now? It's not stopping.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:13 AM   #229
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Gordy, I don't know you but I'm just trying to exchange ideas here and share my experience. Maybe we had two shocks, but we rode longer and harder than you do today with much better equipment. We did more with less. We would have ridden you into the ground.

Bill Blythe 1974 Colorado National at the top of a 3rd gear hillclimb
Ahhhh.......to sit back and reminence.

The girls were prettier back then too!!

You probably would have ridden me into the ground back then because I would have been on either a CZ, Rickman, Elsinore or some other bike that (looking back on) we rode the wheels off of and went extremely fast. At least it seems as though we did looking back 40 years. I have only been in this sport for maybe five years not counting a very brief gig in the 70s on a TL-125. (cross training for MX)

I gotta go trials riding right now in some of our beautiful weather and country. Gonna work on my balance/set up a bunch.

The rest of you flat earthers can practice rolling.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:28 AM   #230
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There ya go, Gordy. All this thinking makes me need to go ride.

One more problem no one has mentioned: I'm getting an icy stare across the breakfast table when I mention "no-stop"...
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:19 AM   #231
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A little perspective here. I started riding riding Trials in the 90s, so I never learned to ride no stop. I've ridden a couple of AHRMA events which are scored as no stop. The way it's worked out there is that as long as the rider is trying to keep moving a five is usually not charged. So it really only prevents planned stops (which I use regularly in modern Trials since thats the way I learned) and resting in a section (which I also do). And it keeps the riders moving through the sections at a good pace.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:09 PM   #232
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Cabestany No Stop demo


http://www.photobysergio.fr/cabestany-non-stop.


htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dFkH...layer_embedded

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Old 11-11-2012, 03:44 PM   #233
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My first motorcycle competition was a trials in 1973. It was no stop because bikes sucked and you couldn't stop anyway with shitty brakes and dragging clutches.

Modern bikes dictate modern rules. Rules should be modified to no stop with a foot down. So it will take skill to stay stopped and eliminate the stopped with a foot down, while you try to figure out what to do next.
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Old 11-11-2012, 04:10 PM   #234
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My first motorcycle competition was a trials in 1973. It was no stop because bikes sucked and you couldn't stop anyway with shitty brakes and dragging clutches.

Modern bikes dictate modern rules. Rules should be modified to no stop with a foot down. So it will take skill to stay stopped and eliminate the stopped with a foot down, while you try to figure out what to do next.
We heard all of this pestilence and blight, back when we moved from no stop to stop and hop... BTW, regurgitating old movies and motorcycle rules, & Communism/socialism, is about the generation in charge now, can do!

Lets all go watch "Total Recall" again... (I cant wait until the redo Beverly Hillbillies, like we did "Dukes of hazzard" and "Dallas" ((NOT)).

no thanks... I guess it might be time to find another hobby.

At this rate, if the in charge takes over Nasa we'll go back to sending Chimps into orbit, restart the Mercury Missions.
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Old 11-11-2012, 05:13 PM   #235
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There is no way a rule change is going to boost attendance. Trials won't ever get the spectator #'s that motocross, supercross, and endurocorss have because most people are too lazy to walk the loop and watch each section. It's much easier to sit in a seat and watch guys hit tripple jumps while you drink a beer and have a hot dog. Sorry, that's the truth.
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Old 11-11-2012, 05:16 PM   #236
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There is no way a rule change is going to boost attendance. Trials won't ever get the spectator #'s that motocross, supercross, and endurocorss have because most people are too lazy to walk the loop and watch each section. It's much easier to sit in a seat and watch guys hit tripple jumps while you drink a beer and have a hot dog. Sorry, that's the truth.
Increased attendance is not the stated goal.

Did you read the FIM Press Release?

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Old 11-11-2012, 08:07 PM   #237
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You may disagree with their ideas but they are anything but ignorant.
Okay... It shows there is ignorance with respect to cause and effect. The cause is the economy, not the formula. Sales and participation are down... period. Even at the local level our attendance at times has been down 40% the last two years. When it gets hard to spend $70 in fuel and $25 in entry fees once a month for some folks, it's not because of the rules.

So, do you feel a change in rules will get some guy to spend money he doesn't have? The same concept applies at the macro level.

It's okay if you don't agree with me. I still think its a lack of understanding or acknowledgment regarding the economic situation so organizations just start turning knobs they are familiar with because it feels better than doing nothing at all. But they're turning the wrong knob. The knobs that need turning aren't even in their control room.


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Old 11-11-2012, 08:32 PM   #238
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Increased attendance is not the stated goal.

Did you read the FIM Press Release?
What do you think pays the bills? See what I mean about ignorance? Can't see the forest for the trees. Attendance is required to make it affordable for teams and participants. Attendance turns into bike sales. It's simple economics.

MotoGP is floundering too. So they come up with the CRT rule to try to reduce team costs and increase the grid. It's a disaster, but hey, knobs are being turned like crazy. Why isn't it working? Because we want to see aliens ride factory machines, not machines that get lapped by the 10 factory bikes and are 3 to 4 seconds off the pace. That formula works in moto 3 and 2 because the grid is filled with near equal bikes, and its exciting racing, but... everyone really pays the big bucks to watch the aliens ride factory machines. The other two classes are alien training camps.


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Old 11-11-2012, 09:26 PM   #239
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As for Moto GP comparisons, its the biggest world audience on the planet for motorcycle racing, broadcast to over 100 countries LIVE and only 3 factories can afford to field teams. ..... All the smart manufacturers are in World Superbike. Why ? Costs are lower and it translates better into bike sales. Bingo.

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