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Old 11-13-2012, 07:29 AM   #10726
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:37 AM   #10727
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2 Co-Workers killed

2 people that work for my company were killed last week in Mexican state of Coahuila. I did not have much for details at this point other than they were there working in the water treatment side of our company. It is causing my company to seriously reconsider where and if we do business in Mexico.

I did not know these people personally but it does bring things closer to home. I am still returning to Mexico Nov 25. I am not sure at which point enough verified incidents are cause for me to adjust where I go in Mexico or to stop traveling to Mexico as a whole but this is a data point that swings the pendulum in the wrong direction.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:41 AM   #10728
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I've tried to search for that six different ways but can't find anything related.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:47 AM   #10729
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To me or SR? I have a pretty generic article from my company. More of an incident release than any information

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:34 PM   #10730
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AK Smitty,
it is very sad that your companies employees lost their lives. I hope that the new Mexican president does a better job at ending the violence. Not to minimize the tragic loss of life, but basing decisions on whether to travel in Mexico on this is an overreaction. The incidence of workplace violence has taken hundreds of lives in the US. Gang violence hundreds more.
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:50 PM   #10731
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To me it is a data point. One data point does not constitute a trend. That being said eventually for some enough data points will create a trend and likely not a positive one.

I dont consider a killing(or two in this case) an incident in the work place in the US or Mexico. This also was not a disgruntled co-worker. As I have said it is just a data point and is not changing my approach or plans. One can not be overly informed and I place the same or greater value on peoples positvie experiences and ride reports through Mexico.

Mexico has many great things to offer and right now those out-weigh what I see as limited risks when it comes to random violence taking place on me or someone I am with.


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AK Smitty,
it is very sad that your companies employees lost their lives. I hope that the new Mexican president does a better job at ending the violence. Not to minimize the tragic loss of life, but basing decisions on whether to travel in Mexico on this is an overreaction. The incidence of workplace violence has taken hundreds of lives in the US. Gang violence hundreds more.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:14 PM   #10732
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To me it is a data point. One data point does not constitute a trend. That being said eventually for some enough data points will create a trend and likely not a positive one.

I dont consider a killing(or two in this case) an incident in the work place in the US or Mexico. This also was not a disgruntled co-worker. As I have said it is just a data point and is not changing my approach or plans. One can not be overly informed and I place the same or greater value on peoples positvie experiences and ride reports through Mexico.

Mexico has many great things to offer and right now those out-weigh what I see as limited risks when it comes to random violence taking place on me or someone I am with.
It's sad to hear of losses like this. However this kind of stuff happens in a lot of places.
This doesn't change my (positive) thoughts on traveling in Mexico. I practice situational awareness no matter where I travel. Its just what you have to do.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:32 PM   #10733
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Probably old news to most of you, just got this from a friend of mine...


http://dof.gob.mx/nota_detalle.php?c...cha=18/05/2012
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:35 PM   #10734
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I know we have all been hearing about this for awhile, it's the first real paper I have seen....
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:53 PM   #10735
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:01 PM   #10736
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:03 PM   #10737
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If you read it carefully, it says the effective date is now April 1st.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:42 PM   #10738
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:46 PM   #10739
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Border Crossing

I will soon be making my first solo crossing or the US/Mexican border on my moto. Any thoughts on bike and cargo security while I am getting the Visa and TVIP processed inside a building where I can't see the bike. Thanks.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:05 PM   #10740
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It depends where you are crossing. I can tell you about Arizona only.

Agua Prieta has a secure parking lot with a gate and at times, helpful "helpers who will promise to watch your stuff for a tip. Never had a problem - 10 peso tip will do it. I think the Aduana folks have chased these guys away

At Naco - Banjercito (permits) is only open Thursday afternoon through Sunday night - you will park right outside the door. You can get a visa in Naco 7 days a week.

Nogales at km21 Never a problem there, lots of agents wandering around.

In any event, if your boxes are locked and your stuff tied down no one will bother you. I have used a cable lock for my helmet and jacket in the past. Run the cable through the sleeve and the chin bar an cover up the luggage with it. Naco is usually pretty quick because no one is there. When the Banjercito in Naco is closed, you can get a visa at migration there then go 20 miles to Cananea for the permit. The too are rarely busy and the elementary school guard will watch you bike.

You will not have a problem. Many solo riders cross all the time.
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