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Old 11-13-2012, 07:17 PM   #5341
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[QUOTE=JNRobert;20038086]Fairing the foul with art's false borrowed face

. . . To borrow from Shakespeare

it was an "apology' that was nothing more than showmanship on Rossi's part -

Noted and that was my immediate impression at the time, however unable to match Stoners performance on the same steed in the public arena given his comment that he's (Stoner) not trying hard enough has surely been humbling for Rossi.
That said I'd say he has provided us all with entertainment and fodder for dialogue during his carrer.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:31 PM   #5342
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Stoner

Now he's having a crack at a Champion in a the Aussie V8 circuit (rumoured to be his next gig):

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121113c.htm

I saw this when it happened as I do follow Casey and then the Soup report came out.. Most people burn bridges after they leave not before they even get there
He is one hell of a talent but he may have social issues..


Casey Stoner ‏@Official_CS27
Amateur racing from @mwinterbottom, didn't know that you can use the grass to overtake!!

Mark Winterbottom ‏@mwinterbottom
@Official_CS27 seriously dude? You may need to attend a drivers briefing to work out our rules for next year as this was discussed.

Mark Winterbottom ‏@mwinterbottom
@Official_CS27 I look forward to racing you and seeing how a professional performs. #ithinkigetpaid?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:34 PM   #5343
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:09 PM   #5344
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I saw this when it happened as I do follow Casey and then the Soup report came out.. Most people burn bridges after they leave not before they even get there
He is one hell of a talent but he may have social issues..


Casey Stoner ‏@Official_CS27
Amateur racing from @mwinterbottom, didn't know that you can use the grass to overtake!!

Mark Winterbottom ‏@mwinterbottom
@Official_CS27 seriously dude? You may need to attend a drivers briefing to work out our rules for next year as this was discussed.

Mark Winterbottom ‏@mwinterbottom
@Official_CS27 I look forward to racing you and seeing how a professional performs. #ithinkigetpaid?
Excellent point.

I'll add that to my list:

5. It pays to burn bridges behind you.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:31 PM   #5345
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Casey Stoner ‏@Official_CS27
Amateur racing from @mwinterbottom, didn't know that you can use the grass to overtake!!
You would think that Rossi's lesson about this at Laguna would have stuck.

Guess not.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:15 PM   #5346
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I saw this when it happened as I do follow Casey and then the Soup report came out.. Most people burn bridges after they leave not before they even get there
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He is one hell of a talent but he may have social issues..


Casey Stoner ‏@Official_CS27
Amateur racing from @mwinterbottom, didn't know that you can use the grass to overtake!!

Mark Winterbottom ‏@mwinterbottom
@Official_CS27 seriously dude? You may need to attend a drivers briefing to work out our rules for next year as this was discussed.

Mark Winterbottom ‏@mwinterbottom
@Official_CS27 I look forward to racing you and seeing how a professional performs. #ithinkigetpaid?




Doubt if anyone would suggest CS had a major in diplomacy.

What's the saying -
Be mindful of the arse you kick on the way up
You may need to kiss it on the way down!

Meteoric rise - meteoric demise?
Only time will tell.

Not many have successfully made the transition from 2 wheels to tin tops or open wheelers.
The late (sadly) Gregg Hansford
Mike (The Bike) Hailwood
John Surtees
Possibly others

JM-2008

This site whilst interesting is certainly a distraction
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:19 PM   #5347
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This site whilst interesting is certainly a distraction
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:27 PM   #5348
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Stoner
I met him briefly once when he was a 250 rider.
I have unbounded admiration for his skill on a motorcycle, but I really don't understand the guy.
Now he's having a crack at a Champion in a the Aussie V8 circuit (rumoured to be his next gig):

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Nov/121113c.htm


Maybe someone should sit him down and point out some home truths:

1. You have the greatest job in the world. Try and look like you enjoy it from time to time.

2. Those people that you brush past outside your pit door actually pay your wages. Sign more than two autographs, you knob.

3. Most of what you whinge about and attribute to MotoGP is actually the work of MSMA (i.e. Honda - the people you work for).

4. You COULD have been the GOAT, and you threw it away. In time, this will eat you up...



I too met him 3 or 4 times here in Australia through the years when he was on 125's and 250's. Had some long conversations with him.
He's an extremely talented motorcycle racer but,
he's an .
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:09 PM   #5349
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[QUOTE=Oscar;20038135] Re Stoner

4. You COULD have been the GOAT, and you threw it away. In time, this will eat you up...

Oscar,
Too few titles, the GOAT award must arguably go to Rossi
Multiples in all classes and categories etc etc.
With due respect to Ago and his titles (unquestionably talented motorcycle racer, handsome dude and one time movie star etc)
The disparity between his MV Agusta's (3 & 4 cylinder versions) and the opposition of the time had to be seen to be believed.
Only got harder for him when Yamaha went to 4 cylinder 2 strokes.

So for mine I'd cast my GOAT vote to Rossi



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Old 11-14-2012, 02:06 AM   #5350
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4. You COULD have been the GOAT, and you threw it away. In time, this will eat you up...

Oscar,
Too few titles, the GOAT award must arguably go to Rossi
Multiples in all classes and categories etc etc.
With due respect to Ago and his titles (unquestionably talented motorcycle racer, handsome dude and one time movie star etc)
The disparity between his MV Agusta's (3 & 4 cylinder versions) and the opposition of the time had to be seen to be believed.
Only got harder for him when Yamaha went to 4 cylinder 2 strokes.

So for mine I'd cast my GOAT vote to Rossi



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I completely agree as things turned out.
However CS could have raced for another 7 years and still be the age that Vale is now.
How many more races could he have won?
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:30 AM   #5351
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I completely agree as things turned out.
However CS could have raced for another 7 years and still be the age that Vale is now.
How many more races could he have won?



We may never know
However it would be nice to remember him for his positive contribution and spectacular performances.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:36 AM   #5352
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However CS could have raced for another 7 years and still be the age that Vale is now.
How many more races could he have won?
Could have, should have, would have...

fact is, he decided to quit, and if he sticks to his decision, which I think he will, he´s now done with MotoGP. Motivation is also a very important part in winning at the highest level, and he clearly has not got enough of it any more.

I do respect his decision, a lot actually, as my first baby boy is just about the same age as Casey´s daughter. Suddenly makes you think in a different way about a lot of things. Maybe becoming a dad was not decisive for Stoner, but nevertheless I´m glad for his family. Racing is a dangerous thing to do for a living, and he´s probably made enough money to support them.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:44 AM   #5353
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One guy gets it :

Nicky Hayden on twitter, commenting "i'm truly blessed" on a picture of a form that said "occupation : motorcycle racer".


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Old 11-14-2012, 03:48 AM   #5354
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Could have, should have, would have...

fact is, he decided to quit, and if he sticks to his decision, which I think he will, he´s now done with MotoGP. Motivation is also a very important part in winning at the highest level, and he clearly has not got enough of it any more.

I do respect his decision, a lot actually, as my first baby boy is just about the same age as Casey´s daughter. Suddenly makes you think in a different way about a lot of things. Maybe becoming a dad was not decisive for Stoner, but nevertheless I´m glad for his family. Racing is a dangerous thing to do for a living, and he´s probably made enough money to support them.

I agree. These are very different personalities from the rest of us. They live right on an edge (M. Simoncelli went past it)- that most mortals never even get a glimpse of.

To accept the big negatives (danger, travel, time away...) that come with the money and fame, a rider needs to be very good and REALLY want it. To just be good but lose the passion is a limbo that further money and fame cannot fix.

Think of any job where you are paid a good amount but have come to really hate the work. How long before you abandon ship?
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:19 AM   #5355
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I completely agree as things turned out.
However CS could have raced for another 7 years and still be the age that Vale is now.
How many more races could he have won?

Who cares, he didn't have the stomach for it.
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