The All New 2013 LIQUID COOLED R1200GS threadfest - Page 244

Marki_GSA · 11-15-2012, 02:59 AM

The bikes sold in 2013 might well be "bugier" but I doubt your going to find out and have revisions by 2014. Very few people do enough miles in a year to show design problems unless it's a huge problem. The first of the 1200s were 2004 but the first fd redesign wasn't until 2006 then 2007, 2008 and 2010 although a few of those changes were only drain plugs and stuff. Fuel pump controllers took until 2008-2009 to sort out. Basically don't expect to wait a year and get a well sorted model if even any different at all. When you think about it though there has only been a couple of show stopping common problems, although a good few niggles and one of them, the fd has never been fully sorted.

khale · 11-15-2012, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dmac57

And there will no doubt be a US launch as well. Want to start early bets as to that venue?

San Fransisco.

JoeDuck · 11-15-2012, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by khale

San Fransisco.

Not sure if serious...

If so, a bad idea, the locals have been snippy lately over foreskins, whale or otherwise.

khale · 11-15-2012, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeDuck

Not sure if serious...

If so, a bad idea, the locals have been snippy lately over foreskins, whale or otherwise.

I'm serious. It's a big market there.

Montauk · 11-15-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by khale

I'm serious. It's a big market there.

I think Los Angeles. Southern California has lot of adventure riding, and then along onto Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Utah.

Montauk · 11-15-2012, 08:20 AM

Here is my take on this bikes 1st run. BMW is releasing "2014" model in March next year - 2013. So all of 2013, we will have 2014 model, then comes the following year - 2014, the bike will not become 2015, but remain the same. Hence, 2014 WC GS will remain as is for two years.

Few Small enhancements if we're required, won't happen till 2015!

Personally if I were to get it, it would this new 2014 model, no point waiting for two years for any minute fixes.

khale · 11-15-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Montauk

I think Los Angeles. Southern California has lot of adventure riding, and then along onto Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Utah.

Probably. You're going to have a bigger crowd there with deeper pockets compared to the 4 bordering states. Those states are big for adventure riding, but I still think Cali is where it will premier. Completely speculation though, I could be completely wrong.

khale · 11-15-2012, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Montauk

Here is my take on this bikes 1st run. BMW is releasing "2014" model in March next year - 2013. So all of 2013, we will have 2014 model, then comes the following year - 2014, the bike will not become 2015, but remain the same. Hence, 2014 WC GS will remain as is for two years.

Few Small enhancements if we're required, won't happen till 2015!

Personally if I were to get it, it would this new 2014 model, no point waiting for two years for any minute fixes.

+1. I agree. Good points.

GB · 11-15-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Montauk

Few Small enhancements if we're required, won't happen till 2015!

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Not really. Changes happen as needed and at any time in the production cycle and need not wait for a new model year. We've seen this when the 1200GS was introduced as a 2005 model in 2004, along with other BMW bikes where subtle and unannounced changes happen mid cycle.. This is espeically obvious when a problematic part is updated with a new part number for the current model year. For example when they had a problem with the immobilizer antenna, there were 4 successive part numbers before the problem was resolved.

EJ_92606 · 11-15-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GB

Not really. Changes happen as needed and at any time in the production cycle and need not wait for a new model year. We've seen this when the 1200GS was introduced as a 2005 model in 2004, along with other BMW bikes where subtle and unannounced changes happen mid cycle.. This is espeically obvious when a problematic part is updated with a new part number for the current model year. For example when they had a problem with the immobilizer antenna, there were 4 successive part numbers before the problem was resolved.

Agree, but not always 'as needed' at least by my definition. Some issues remain for years for some reason.

Roadscum · 11-16-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by khale

Probably. You're going to have a bigger crowd there with deeper pockets compared to the 4 bordering states. Those states are big for adventure riding, but I still think Cali is where it will premier. Completely speculation though, I could be completely wrong.

AND......
............

California has way more Starbucks then the 4 bordering states.

Regards, Paul

Beemerlover · 11-16-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Montauk

Here is my take on this bikes 1st run. BMW is releasing "2014" model in March next year - 2013. So all of 2013, we will have 2014 model, then comes the following year - 2014, the bike will not become 2015, but remain the same. Hence, 2014 WC GS will remain as is for two years.

Few Small enhancements if we're required, won't happen till 2015!

Personally if I were to get it, it would this new 2014 model, no point waiting for two years for any minute fixes.

Well, the human race is supposed to be wiped out on Dec. 21st. this year, so who gives a fuck?

Montauk · 11-16-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemerlover

Well, the human race is supposed to be wiped out on Dec. 21st. this year, so who gives a fuck?

I don't know about you, but I do plan on living past Dec 21st, along with a whole lot of others. Enjoy your limited stay.

dmac57 · 11-16-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by khale

Probably. You're going to have a bigger crowd there with deeper pockets compared to the 4 bordering states. Those states are big for adventure riding, but I still think Cali is where it will premier. Completely speculation though, I could be completely wrong.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but no effing way. There's no "adventure" draw to that part of SoCal. They won't pick the venue for the potential market, but for the place that gives the best combination of backdrop and riding. Witness: North Georgia for the K16.

JoeDuck · 11-17-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cug

Same here - really want to sit on it. But more important: waiting on the demo models. I'll definitely not get one of the first release models but will wait for the "fine-tuned" second year. Have done too much beta testing in my life already.

So how's the show? Get a chance to sit on the bike?

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11-15-2012, 02:59 AM	#3646
Marki_GSA Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2011 Location: Scotland Oddometer: 209	The bikes sold in 2013 might well be "bugier" but I doubt your going to find out and have revisions by 2014. Very few people do enough miles in a year to show design problems unless it's a huge problem. The first of the 1200s were 2004 but the first fd redesign wasn't until 2006 then 2007, 2008 and 2010 although a few of those changes were only drain plugs and stuff. Fuel pump controllers took until 2008-2009 to sort out. Basically don't expect to wait a year and get a well sorted model if even any different at all. When you think about it though there has only been a couple of show stopping common problems, although a good few niggles and one of them, the fd has never been fully sorted.

11-15-2012, 08:20 AM	#3651
Montauk Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2007 Location: Fruit County in Golden State, USA Oddometer: 260	Here is my take on this bikes 1st run. BMW is releasing "2014" model in March next year - 2013. So all of 2013, we will have 2014 model, then comes the following year - 2014, the bike will not become 2015, but remain the same. Hence, 2014 WC GS will remain as is for two years. Few Small enhancements if we're required, won't happen till 2015! Personally if I were to get it, it would this new 2014 model, no point waiting for two years for any minute fixes.