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Old 11-14-2012, 04:42 PM   #25936
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I carry a spare tube, tyvek for sidewalls, co2 and a pump. I hardly ever got flats running tubes. I'll see how long I can go without one running tubeless...
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:59 PM   #25937
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Tire boot with $, powerbar wrappers, or a boot kit a Blackburn Mammoth Mtn pump and you're good to go.

One important hint I learned along the way: keep your pump inside your camelbak. Keeps it clean and it lasts a LOT longer. Last pump I bought was roughly a decade ago.

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huh. i put a jazillion miles on my old road bike with a full length Silca 'frame pump' on the seat tube, one end up against the BB, other end tucked under the top tube. that pump never failed me. true, the pump 'handle' did overlap the main tube when it was compressed, so it acted as a mud guard, the shaft was only exposed when you had the pump extended. would pump up a 23c tire to 120psi in a half dozen strokes.

I do NOT like those little shorty things they sell now days.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:49 AM   #25938
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huh. i put a jazillion miles on my old road bike with a full length Silca 'frame pump' on the seat tube, one end up against the BB, other end tucked under the top tube. that pump never failed me. true, the pump 'handle' did overlap the main tube when it was compressed, so it acted as a mud guard, the shaft was only exposed when you had the pump extended. would pump up a 23c tire to 120psi in a half dozen strokes.

I do NOT like those little shorty things they sell now days.
Yabbut we're talking mtn bikes here. They're a whole nuther level of dirty! (speaking of which... I need to clean mine after Tuesday's ride)

Try and keep up old man.

May be time to start seriously looking at Denver again: bike repair rooms

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Old 11-15-2012, 08:44 AM   #25939
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for the road riders - do you ride with a local club? What's it like for you?

I do a Saturday morning ride with the local club and I'm slowly learning the names, faces and even riding styles. I'm in my mid-50's and it's clear that most of these guys are older and have been riding for quite some time.

I still remember the first sting of my first club ride in March of last year. We made the turn out of the parking lot, made another turn onto a main street and I was dropped in less than a mile.

Now, it's different. Fast? I don't know what fast means to you. My experience is limited but let me describe a typical ride:
35-40 miles
Terrain varies but not an awful lot of hills since we're in the desert
Pace: pick your poison. I usually start from the back and then make my way to the front.
Size: 65 ~ 100 riders depending on the weather.

Here's a slice of my speed from last Saturday's ride:



Every slowdown is a result of approaching a traffic light and then with the green, it's a sprint back up to speed. They actually ride up to the intersection and stop. I prefer to soft-pedal and stay clipped in. We're in a very urban area so there are major intersections every mile and maybe a few smaller ones in between.

I do OK with this group. I usually hang off the back but I'll usually pass and take a turn pulling at the front. We had some "state champion" riding with us last week and the pace was a tad faster than normal. The sprints do get a little tiresome but I don't mind. These mid-30 mile rides are my workouts to keep me rolling on longer, slower-paced rides.

The previous Sat's ride involved a tandem with some fairly deep wheels. I swore I was going to take it easy on that particular ride but I couldn't help myself when the tandem passed.... too much temptation. We managed to catch and pass the fast group. They did their best to jump on my rear wheel but our little train was moving at 27-28-29-30 mph and I know from experience that those speeds are a little high for these guys.



The actions at the lights were the same: the fast group would pull up with us and then do a jackrabbit start. I'd stay with the tandem and we'd build speed slowly like a locomotive and then catch and pass the fast group.

Eventually, the tandem team slowed enough for me to take a couple of turns at the front and then the tandem were subsequently dropped. They may have had a mechanical issue since they dropped fairly fast.

I love this stuff. The workout is solid, these guys are good riders and that pushes me to be smooth and controlled. Fact is, many of them are older than me - retired, etc and are pretty serious about their riding. I don't get too many comments about the recumbent anymore but when the tandem and I passed the pace line, I heard a "not again" from someone. I think some were dreading the front of the pace line quickening the pace to try and catch a draft from us.

I'm very, very curious as to how many ride with clubs and how your experiences compare to mine. Are you on a high racer? Low racer? Do you ride with the faster group or somewhere in the middle? What are the typical speeds like? Or, are club rides not your thing? I get that too.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:26 PM   #25940
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May be time to start seriously looking at Denver again: bike repair rooms

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Bike repair rooms? You mean like my living room?
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:34 PM   #25941
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I don't have a street bicycle, so no idea regaridng paces and clubs...to me it looks like just 'workout', as much as I enjoy that, I like to have it peppered with some fun and if I lived in PHX I would sure own a mt bike.
My question here has more to do with different bike purposes. I am looking to get more technical. I've been riding a HD 29er pretty much in AM style and it has been working out. Being the only HD in a group I get props every time I don't suck too much on a downhill. I like HD because it has a lot less maintenance (and I break stuff) and in y view allows me to be as fast on uphills as I can get. So for awhile I was thinking still of upgrading to a F/S, either a Rumblefish or a Stumpy but nowadays I am thinking of staying with my HD Kona and picking up a 'fun' and city bike.
Here comes the questions part-
Is the general opinion that F/S is really just for rider comfort and some traction help on a trail ride? Curious what riders here think.
What is the legit difference between a trials bike and a DJ? I see a relatively cheap Kona Shonty here..would that work for the fun stuff like city riding, few smaller jumps, lite trials stuff? Or should I go for a ridgid trials bike for the around the neighborhood fun...? I don't see either of these bikes going ona serious trail ride.
And finally, would a DH like Kona Stinky be good at all for around town and stunt playing?
Thanks, hopefully not every one here is wearing tight, tight shorts!
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:39 PM   #25942
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Bike repair rooms? You mean like my living room?
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:47 PM   #25943
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Thanks, hopefully not every one here is wearing tight, tight shorts!
I wear the tight tight shorts, but will try and help regardless.

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Here comes the questions part-
Is the general opinion that F/S is really just for rider comfort and some traction help on a trail ride? Curious what riders here think.
Yes and no. Yes, it makes for a more comfortable, faster ride because you don't have to choose lines nearly as well, but as you've determined, riding a HT isn't as big a detriment as some FS guys will have you believe.

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What is the legit difference between a trials bike and a DJ? I see a relatively cheap Kona Shonty here..would that work for the fun stuff like city riding, few smaller jumps, lite trials stuff? Or should I go for a ridgid trials bike for the around the neighborhood fun...? I don't see either of these bikes going ona serious trail ride.
If you're going hopping around, get the trials bike. DJ bikes tend to be bomb-proof to take the abuse that cased landings cause. See the Danny McAskill videos, etc. for more info. Alternatively a rigid 26er of a light enough variety may work too for hopping about on obstacles. Note that I'm not trials guy so YMMV

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And finally, would a DH like Kona Stinky be good at all for around town and stunt playing?
No. True DH bikes are specialized to go downhill. (duh) You're gonna try and pedal around on a 40# bike? Don't think that'd be much fun. Especially no fun trying to hop up and down on things. I'd go Trials, then DJ bike, then DH bike for your round town adventures. You may get away with an all-mountain cause they're not quite as heavy as the DH bikes.

I've seen lots of 'go hopping around downtown' types on freestyle BMX bikes too, so don't rule that out. Size-wise, they're pretty farging heavy tho.

How's that for answers from a tight-shorts-wearing roadie?

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Old 11-15-2012, 06:21 PM   #25944
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First class, Gumm! Thanks!

I forgot to mention skate and pump track forays, too. I am too old to really kick ass but would like to get techincally better and have some urban fun.
See, you can have tight tight shorts and do it all amazingly well!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmJtYaUTa0

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Old 11-15-2012, 06:22 PM   #25945
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Can you build wheels? Please PM pics of your bicycle tools and road bikes.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:19 AM   #25946
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I like HD because it has a lot less maintenance (and I break stuff) and in y view allows me to be as fast on uphills as I can get. So for awhile I was thinking still of upgrading to a F/S, either a Rumblefish or a Stumpy but nowadays I am thinking of staying with my HD Kona and picking up a 'fun' and city bike.
Here comes the questions part-
Is the general opinion that F/S is really just for rider comfort and some traction help on a trail ride? Curious what riders here think.
Like you, I used to think that nothing climbs like a HT, especially a 29er. Well, after spending two weeks and 155 miles of singletrack on a FS29er that myth has been quashed. I am 2-3 minutes faster per lap which equates to a 1-1.5 mph avg increase in speed. The bike puts the power to the ground on the climbs and it just flat rails the corners. However, its a 5k dollar bike (Pivot Mach429). Would a FS at half price ride as well? I dunno. I had a cheapish FS 26er and it truly sucked, so for many years I was biased. I rode the 29er HT on Wednesday and was sliding all over the place and spinning up the climbs, which were covered with dry leaves. I didn't buy the Pivot for rider comfort, but that has been a nice side benefit as well. I can now ride 5 days in a row without my back killing me like it used to on the HT. The mileage and the fun factor has gone way up with this bike. A fast racer buddy has a Stumpy and loves it. I can actually keep him in sight now.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:13 PM   #25947
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Like you, I used to think that nothing climbs like a HT, especially a 29er. Well, after spending two weeks and 155 miles of singletrack on a FS29er that myth has been quashed. I am 2-3 minutes faster per lap which equates to a 1-1.5 mph avg increase in speed. The bike puts the power to the ground on the climbs and it just flat rails the corners.
I've had the same experience. I was initially very skeptical that a 29er would perform as well or better than my 26er, but repeated timed comparisons show that it really is faster except on trails consisting of hairpin turns. On steep hill climbs, the 29er wins hands down.
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:05 PM   #25948
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Can you build wheels? Please PM pics of your bicycle tools and road bikes.
Yes, I can build wheels. All but 2.5 of my wheelsets are built by me.

Unfortunately, my tool(s) are in a rather small box. Hard to take a picture of em.

You've seen pics of the bikes. If you don't remember, they're in the 'show us your bicycle' thread around here somewhere.

So... there I was... off on a whirlwind adventure out in The Plains, VA with a couple of buddies. Gravel road riding on our cross bikes. I put my Racing Ralph clincher on the front of a front wheel I'd built up pending finding a black Open Pro to match for the rear. Built it appx 12mos ago and just last week found an Open Pro for a deal.

...so I'm bombing down this gravel road at a high rate of speed when all of a sudden

WHAM!

WTF? Why's my handling all wonky?! Damn! Front flat at 'busting a gut down a hill speed?!' SHIT! I can't stop now, so I'll have to ride it out till the bottom. Thank doG it turned to pavement about a meter before I flatted.

So I get to the bottom of the hill, pull the tube and notice that I've ripped the top part where the valve screws shut. Blow it up to see where the hole is and find a round hole opposite the valve.



I musta hit something REALLY 'just wrong' to get that to happen. First time in 20+ years of riding.

Oh, and did I mention today was the first ride EVAR on that wheel? Yeah. Effed up the front rim on the first time out on it. How's THAT for a sonofabitch?!

Put the spare tube in and finished the rest of the ride except now every time I go to brake I get a thumpthumpthump and shuddering on the front.

Up and over Busthead Rd. then up and over the other part of Busthead road to 55. Crossed that and detoured left up and over Old Georgetown Pike to get to another stretch of dirt road before the pavement slog to my buddy's house.

3:38 on the 'road' and no assholes

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Old 11-16-2012, 03:21 PM   #25949
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I've had the same experience. I was initially very skeptical that a 29er would perform as well or better than my 26er, but repeated timed comparisons show that it really is faster except on trails consisting of hairpin turns. On steep hill climbs, the 29er wins hands down.
Oh, I am fully for 29ers on the trail- that is unless one is under 5', then I would consider a 26er. However, aside of some downhill it is only on steep climbs that one could be better off with smaller wheels.
a) easier to get them spinning than the mass of a 29 wheel, could be usefull when it is steep
b) lower 1X1 than 29er gearing 1X1, and sometimes it's usefull to go that low

That being said, I am a bigger guy and have no problem powering the 29er momentum.
It is the silver lining of a F/S as opposed to a HD that I was questioning. I do feel like I need to be careful of my line a lot more, and for some reason I find it easier to do certain moves shock assissted (like bunny hops).
I don't sit down (or feel it) much so comfort is not of an issue.
That Pivot is a nice bike, indeed. I think it cost more than my dirt bikes combined, so it better be good!
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:51 PM   #25950
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I don't have a street bicycle, so no idea regaridng paces and clubs...to me it looks like just 'workout', as much as I enjoy that, I like to have it peppered with some fun and if I lived in PHX I would sure own a mt bike.
My question here has more to do with different bike purposes. I am looking to get more technical. I've been riding a HD 29er pretty much in AM style and it has been working out. Being the only HD in a group I get props every time I don't suck too much on a downhill. I like HD because it has a lot less maintenance (and I break stuff) and in y view allows me to be as fast on uphills as I can get. So for awhile I was thinking still of upgrading to a F/S, either a Rumblefish or a Stumpy but nowadays I am thinking of staying with my HD Kona and picking up a 'fun' and city bike.
Here comes the questions part-
Is the general opinion that F/S is really just for rider comfort and some traction help on a trail ride? Curious what riders here think.
What is the legit difference between a trials bike and a DJ? I see a relatively cheap Kona Shonty here..would that work for the fun stuff like city riding, few smaller jumps, lite trials stuff? Or should I go for a ridgid trials bike for the around the neighborhood fun...? I don't see either of these bikes going ona serious trail ride.
And finally, would a DH like Kona Stinky be good at all for around town and stunt playing?
Thanks, hopefully not every one here is wearing tight, tight shorts!
OK,
1st, if you want a trialsy HT 29er, check this out.... RCP NE29ER Ryan can do custom, his Kickstart didn't pan out, but he will build the frame on a small scale. Here is his website RCP fabrication

The problem with going to a trials specific frame is that that is about all they are good for. They have evolved with SUPER high bottombrackets... Look for an older trials frame if that is what you want.

DH bikes have SUPER slack headtube angles, make them really floppy unless you are flying down hill, or stairs....

If you want a FS all-mountain 29er check out these.
Transition makes a covert 29er (140mm) and a bandit 29er (120mm).
Banshee makes the Prime.
Intense makes a variety also 27.5 and 29ers.... VERY well built bikes. They tend to go from the spider 29er which is more XC to the tracer 29 which is more gravity, they have a gap, but that may not matter for you....

The main problem these days is finding the bike that works across all styles. We have gotten very specialized, and that requires a quiver.

If you have more specific questions let me know, I can steer you in various directions.
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