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[flatfender]

Originally Posted by mcma111

Your going to have to remove the tensioner and shaft and test the one way clutch. Hold the shaft (by the flat at the end of the shaft) with a pair of vise grips and see if you can get the clutch to skip when pushing backwards on it. Perhaps there are wear or flat spots on the shaft that are allowing this to happen. You do know that if the chain tension is not controlled that the chain can jump some teeth and even allow the valves to hit the piston. You don't want this to happen do ya??

Okay that makes sense, if the locking mechanism fails eventually the spring will fail because it's not meant to hold pressure forever. Cam chains that jump teeth never have a happy ending, uhhem, my long gone '70 Bronco and sourjon backing down a hill in gear using the clutch are strong reminders for me.

[Ironman2001]

Originally Posted by Brown Falcon

I don't need heated gloves... I just need gloves that go up above my jacket cuffs! It sucks having water going up your sleeve on the way to school. Plus my gloves are perforated leather, so not waterproof at all.

I need me some waterproof gauntlet gloves... but I'm a poor, unemployed, disabled vet, full-time student (and my wife won't let me buy new gloves). Sorry, I'm done wallowing in self-pity now. Now to wallow in a bottle of beer instead...

Hahaha seems you have enough money to buy beer. Make a choice... beer or gloves?

[MentalGuru]

Originally Posted by flatfender

Okay that makes sense, if the locking mechanism fails eventually the spring will fail because it's not meant to hold pressure forever. Cam chains that jump teeth never have a happy ending, uhhem, my long gone '70 Bronco and sourjon backing down a hill in gear using the clutch are strong reminders for me.

Hey I jumped a timing chain a '85 KLR600 back in '87 backing it down a hill doing that. I'll never forget the sound the engine made when I hit the electric start. It broke both exhaust valves and stuck them into the head...

That was my last KLR...

[bomber1965]

Originally Posted by purpledrake

About $30 bucks ........they are stainless steel and poly.....stick them in a saddle bag and forget about them till needed.......put them away wet no problem, those others you posted would be all rusted and corroded.

Hey Bomber, that pulley in the camo bag is really slick. Where did you find this? I want one.

PD

Features:

Stainless Steel Made
4 Sealed 1 1/4" Roller Bearings
100FT heavy Duty Rope
Come with Comouflage Carring Bag
1 Ton Capacity


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-St...-/370634497502

[Brown Falcon]

Originally Posted by Ironman2001

Hahaha seems you have enough money to buy beer. Make a choice... beer or gloves?

My wife is okay with me buying beer (a little at a time). Not so hot on the expensive gloves all at once. I moved my controls around a bit and I can use my snowboarding gloves now. Problem solved (for now).

[techforlife]

Originally Posted by ShooterDave

How on God's green earth are you able to drain it from the main lug without getting it all over the place. If you remove the bolt slightly and leave it there, it sprays all over the place. I never once was able to do it without it getting all over the skid plate. Ok, well ALL OVER is an overstatement. It would always end up on the skid plate, a lot more than I would like. When I finally took the skid plate off.... it was an oily, gunky mess. It was so annoying that with the new skid plate I got for my other bike, I didn't care that it didn't have an oil hole. This skid plate is the best protection ever.

I need pics / video or it ain't true dude.

Tis true,no mess,no fuss......no video till spring.......though i do think it`s comical me making a video to instruct on oil changes on sumpin as basic as the LPIG

B

[Cumbacheech]

Originally Posted by mcma111

Different animals.

Thanks Steve, Ya I thought that they were different.

[ReferJohn]

with Flatfenders recent timing chain issues i now am riding paraniod-kind of.

1. what causes a timing chain to jump? besides backwards motion in gear.
and how can i prevent that?

2. what are the symptoms of a timing chain that has been jumped
will the L still lift the front wheel in 2nd and 3rd and perform the same or will you be able to detect it right of way.
Thanks for helpful insight and advice
John

[Ironman2001]

How does one tell if the suspension in my bike is stock or modded? I think the springs might have been changed to stiffer ones but can't really tell.

Thanks, Rob

[my6]

If memory serves me there will be different colored stripes painted on one end of the shock spring. What colors mean what I can't say. The fork springs you will need to remove and take a couple of pics of for the more learned here to see.

[beechum1]

Springs over the years were different colors. you'd have to test the displacement with weights to get an accurate assessment .

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[Brown Falcon]

Originally Posted by beechum1

Springs over the years were different colors. you'd have to test the displacement with weights to get an accurate assessment .

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Yep. Pretty sure my '93 has a stock spring and it's red. My friend's '03 has a yellow spring that's stock.

[ReferJohn]

Originally Posted by ReferJohn

with Flatfenders recent timing chain issues i now am riding paraniod-kind of.

1. what causes a timing chain to jump? besides backwards motion in gear.
and how can i prevent that?

2. what are the symptoms of a timing chain that has been jumped
will the L still lift the front wheel in 2nd and 3rd and perform the same or will you be able to detect it right of way.
Thanks for helpful insight and advice
John

Just want to keep this fresh and not get burried....... GURU's feel free to provide help please

[Sourjon]

Originally Posted by ReferJohn

Just want to keep this fresh and not get burried....... GURU's feel free to provide help please

I'm not a guru but I had timing chain issues. All from a rebuild I did trying to save the budget. The chain was stretched and it allowed it to skip a couple teeth when I used the clutch to brake as I rolled backwards on a hill I failed to clear. It wasn't enough to damage the motor when I tried to restart but it was enough that the bike wouldn't start and run. New chain installed and I've used the clutch getting off the trailer several times no problem.

John

[mcma111]

Originally Posted by ReferJohn

with Flatfenders recent timing chain issues i now am riding paraniod-kind of.

1. what causes a timing chain to jump? besides backwards motion in gear.
and how can i prevent that?

2. what are the symptoms of a timing chain that has been jumped
will the L still lift the front wheel in 2nd and 3rd and perform the same or will you be able to detect it right of way.
Thanks for helpful insight and advice
John

Since I am at work I have plenty of time to reply to your inquiry.

This is based on my '91 XR600. I used to go riding in Mendocino National Forrest and there were many times that I would get stuck going up a hill and I would walk the bike back down using the front brake and also the clutch while the bike is in gear. I would have both feet on the ground as to not fall over so the in gear/clutch bit was actually the rear brake. I can remember letting the clutch out and the engine winding backwards and I never had a problem with the cam chain jumping no matter how I punished this bike.

Now as to the why and how of a jumping cam chain. It all comes down to the tensioner. The tensioner has a one way clutch in it. If the clutch rollers develop a flat spot or the shaft is worn then there is the possibality that the tensioner will not be exerting pressure on the chain guide and under certain conditions the chain can jump or skip on the cam gear. How to prevent this from happening?? Don't ride your bike. If you ride your bike you wear out parts. No ride = No wear. Simple.

Same bike. Now as to having the cam out of time. A couple years ago the engine did the standard oil starvation bit after an oil change. Upon tear down I found that the last time I was in the engine I had installed the cam one tooth advanced. The bike always started up just fine and had loads of power so what does this mean? It's a friggin HONDA!!! If the cam is advanced you get the cam timing coming in more on the low end. Retard the cam timing and you get more top end. Change the cam timing a bunch of teeth as in a bad tensioner/chain skipping and you get valves that are hitting the piston.

There you have it. Send BEER.