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Old 11-17-2012, 05:38 PM   #91
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A, what did the Volt cost you? Wondering if maybe the Volt is right for us, or pay less and get the Jetta TDI Sportwagon.
That would absolutely be my dilemma if I were in the market.

What pushes the Volt ahead, in my opinion, is the straight-up cool factor. I would be able to commute to work and back for 3 days before even needing to plug in. Without using a drop of gasoline. That's pretty damn neat.

I've driven the recent Jetta TDIs and they really are fantastic cars. You're getting a way better payload, that's for sure.

Anorak, what's the tow rating on the Volt when using only the electric motor? Would it tow a couple bikes up a hill at 65 mph?
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:51 PM   #92
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A, what did the Volt cost you? Wondering if maybe the Volt is right for us, or pay less and get the Jetta TDI Sportwagon.
$43k including tax and license. You are going to pay a premium for the novelty of the Volt which may not be enough to justify the expense over the VW.

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That would absolutely be my dilemma if I were in the market.

What pushes the Volt ahead, in my opinion, is the straight-up cool factor. I would be able to commute to work and back for 3 days before even needing to plug in. Without using a drop of gasoline. That's pretty damn neat.

I've driven the recent Jetta TDIs and they really are fantastic cars. You're getting a way better payload, that's for sure.

Anorak, what's the tow rating on the Volt when using only the electric motor? Would it tow a couple bikes up a hill at 65 mph?
Towing is prohibited by GM. There is some discussion of it on the various forums but I have enough problems with membership in one forum so I don't pay much attention to others.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:04 PM   #93
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$43k including tax and license. You are going to pay a premium for the novelty of the Volt which may not be enough to justify the expense over the VW.



Towing is prohibited by GM. There is some discussion of it on the various forums but I have enough problems with membership in one forum so I don't pay much attention to others.
Ours listed at 43k (including a cover and other extra stuff) and we added the 8 year warrantee. We had a trade so it's hard to figure out what we paid. We got $5k more than book for our trade and I think a grand off the extra warrantee, so I assume that was the discount. Plus $7.5 in tax credits. When we bought, Volt sales were slow.

Other than the coolness and societal benefit of the Volt, it's difficult to cost justify compared to an economy car. I personally think the Volt compares well to an entry level Lexus or Infiniti.

We've found the operating costs to be minimal, since the commute is around 50 miles.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:30 PM   #94
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Ours listed at 43k (including a cover and other extra stuff) and we added the 8 year warrantee. We had a trade so it's hard to figure out what we paid. We got $5k more than book for our trade and I think a grand off the extra warrantee, so I assume that was the discount. Plus $7.5 in tax credits. When we bought, Volt sales were slow.

Other than the coolness and societal benefit of the Volt, it's difficult to cost justify compared to an economy car. I personally think the Volt compares well to an entry level Lexus or Infiniti.

We've found the operating costs to be minimal, since the commute is around 50 miles.
My round trip commute is about 24 miles across a bridge with a $6.00 toll and car pool lanes on the route. Currently, the Volt is exempt from the carpool regulations and bridge tolls. Motorcycles registered with the electronic toll payment system, FastTrack, use the car pool lane at the bridge toll plaza which still has a toll, $2.50. So, it's less expensive for me to drive to work than ride.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:07 AM   #95
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Towing is prohibited by GM. There is some discussion of it on the various forums but I have enough problems with membership in one forum so I don't pay much attention to others.
If you want to tow with a hybrid car (which a Volt is) you can pick up a couple year old Nissan Altima. They do have a tow rating of 1000 pounds. Not much but enough for a small trailer and a couple bikes.

Driving a Tahoe hybrid (another choice if you need to tow more) offroad is a bit strange. When you see zero oil pressure and it is completely fine it just goes against everything you should know about driving a vehicle.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:05 PM   #96
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My round trip commute is about 24 miles across a bridge with a $6.00 toll and car pool lanes on the route. Currently, the Volt is exempt from the carpool regulations and bridge tolls. Motorcycles registered with the electronic toll payment system, FastTrack, use the car pool lane at the bridge toll plaza which still has a toll, $2.50. So, it's less expensive for me to drive to work than ride.
I thought they got rid of all the exemptions for carpool on Bay Area bridges?

Maybe just for motorcycles?
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:51 PM   #97
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$43k including tax and license. You are going to pay a premium for the novelty of the Volt which may not be enough to justify the expense over the VW.

Ouch! I was thinking somewhere around $33K would be more in line. Basically, a bit more than the Prius.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:57 PM   #98
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Ouch! I was thinking somewhere around $33K would be more in line. Basically, a bit more than the Prius.
There are barely used ones from $30k
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Interesting. There were 14 volts listed within 100 miles of me, and 45 Leafs, some for as low as $20k.
I the Leaf is a bigger seller, but the soggy resale is a surprise.
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did anyone mention yet that a tdi will kick this cars ass ?
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:13 PM   #101
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did anyone mention yet that a tdi will kick this cars ass ?
It's hard to plug in a TDI.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:01 PM   #102
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Geez. Go down to the "why does every car thread turn into a TDI thread' in the basement.

In there, all you TDI fans can hump each others legs and dis all the non-believers.

Some of us don't want to subject ourselves to a VW service and parts department, and the pleasure of a 100+ mile round trip for the privilege.

Let us know how your first automatic transmission service goes outside of the free service plan.

Volt fan boiz can congregate over at gm-volt.com Its like a veritable self-love fest over there.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:34 PM   #103
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Geez. Go down to the "why does every car thread turn into a TDI thread' in the basement.

In there, all you TDI fans can hump each others legs and dis all the non-believers.

Some of us don't want to subject ourselves to a VW service and parts department, and the pleasure of a 100+ mile round trip for the privilege.

Let us know how your first automatic transmission service goes outside of the free service plan.

Volt fan boiz can congregate over at gm-volt.com Its like a veritable self-love fest over there.
ohhh noooo, I'm in the 22R/22RE group hug... but we're rusting away, so I gotta get the tdi some air time.

wait, am I behind ?

is the volt the new fangled lectronics-n-stuff 22R love fest ?

dammit. always behind :-(
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It's hard to plug in a TDI.
How about in a Minnesota winter?

You have some industry connections. Why does my Volt have a secret glow plug light?
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Old 11-19-2012, 04:11 PM   #105
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How about in a Minnesota winter?

You have some industry connections. Why does my Volt have a secret glow plug light?
I asked. He didn't know. He speculated GM might have thought about a non- or mild-hybrid version with a diesel. Something to help amortorize the dev expense for the platform.
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