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Old 11-22-2012, 06:55 PM   #15016
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I believe Gerbings are made in the USA now.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:43 PM   #15017
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I believe Gerbings are made in the USA now.
True that. We went through this a few pages back.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:45 PM   #15018
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I'm thinking of heated glove liners (if it gets extremely cold) and a heated jacket. The Tiger should have enough juice to drive both without an issue I guess. Do you guys also use heated pant liners? For me, freezing always starts around the hands, shoulders, arms, chest area, then feet and way after that I feel the cold in the legs.
She and I, both, have jackets, pants, socks, and gloves. The advantage to a full setup is that you can run the whole thing at a much a lower temp and stay warmer, overall. If you have a dual controller and are by yourself, you can run your upper and lower body at different temp levels. My 1050 will run both our setups, but, have never had both turned all the way up, at the same time. Not sure about the wattage difference between the 1050 and 800.
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:27 PM   #15019
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Ducnut,

I believe the Tiger 800's max output is 645w and the 1050 is about 480w.

Someone had estimated the bikes use about 300w just going down the road.

Gerbing Wattage;
Pants=44w
Jacket=77w
Gloves or Liners=27w

Doubling these numbers for two fully heated riders would put the wattage needed at about 300w.

This could push the Tiger 1050 charging system beyond it's capacity.

Maybe somebody could check my numbers.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:21 AM   #15020
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I've been commuting all fall, temps down as low as 20F, with no heated gear. Doing so with heated grips has made me think how great heated gear would be, so I've just had delivered a heated jacket liner. Permanent mount controller. Looks all very simple to install - except where to mount the controller.

The obvious and easy location would be just below the seat, left side. Easy drill through plastic, can reach when riding. But, right next to the knob is a LED, which would be best placed in one's line of sight. Sure doesn't seem anywhere obvious up at the front of the bike for a mount. Experiences anyone? Otherwise out of sight it goes.
Fit the accessory power socket under the saddle. Stick a DIN plug on your jacket wiring and stick the controller to the outside of the battery box with Velcro. You'll remember to turn everything off when you get snagged by the wiring when you try to walk away from the bike.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:50 AM   #15021
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Me like!

I don't have any heated gear yet, and if we get some, it'll be the heated liner for my wife first before I'm allowed to buy heated gear for me ...

Was thinking about Warm & Safe, too, as they seem to have a pretty good reputation and seem to be nicely manufactured, while Gerbings has been getting some heat (pun intended) for outsourcing to China and manufacturing them as cheaply as possible, e.g. not having heating elements around the arm, only on top and so on. But I don't want to get this into a heated gear thread, just saying.

I really like the wireless controller, how does this work out for you? I'm thinking of heated glove liners (if it gets extremely cold) and a heated jacket. The Tiger should have enough juice to drive both without an issue I guess. Do you guys also use heated pant liners? For me, freezing always starts around the hands, shoulders, arms, chest area, then feet and way after that I feel the cold in the legs.
I've run a full complement of gear (gloves+jacket+pants+socks) off the Tiger and have had no issues. It's probably about 240W worth of draw, but I can't say it's ever run at 100%, as that just gets too hot!

The dual channel is nice; I typically run gloves+jacket on channel 1 and pants+socks on channel 2. If I am running just gloves and jacket for the day, each go on their separate channel.

As for the Montana, I also have a 60cx. No comparison. The Montana is MUCH easier to read, and the only thing I miss about the 60cx is the dedicated "mark waypoint" button.
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:27 AM   #15022
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I think he came back
You know him very well I believe
I assumed he was back in one form or another, perhaps not so incendiary in this incarnation.
Frankly, i got a kick out of some of his posts but the beemer guys didn't.
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:42 AM   #15023
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I believe the Tiger 800's max output is 645w and the 1050 is about 480w.
According to my 1050's service manual. It shows alternator output at 34amps which is 408watts.
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:45 AM   #15024
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I was always put of by how big and bulky it is ...
I thought so too at first. However, take a look:

http://advrider.com/forums/showpost....postcount=1266
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:32 AM   #15025
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Ducnut,

I believe the Tiger 800's max output is 645w and the 1050 is about 480w.

Someone had estimated the bikes use about 300w just going down the road.

Gerbing Wattage;
Pants=44w
Jacket=77w
Gloves or Liners=27w

Doubling these numbers for two fully heated riders would put the wattage needed at about 300w.

This could push the Tiger 1050 charging system beyond it's capacity.

Maybe somebody could check my numbers.
I find no need for heated pants or socks. If I keep my core warm with a heated liner and my hands warm with heated grips (or both heated grips and heated gloves when it's really cold out) I don't need anything more than a pair of long johns under my jeans and Darien over pants.

I typically run heated gear at about 50% duty cycle, perhaps up to 75% duty cycle if it's really cold out. If the combination of heated jacket, heated gloves, and heated grips draws approximately 150 watts, at 50% duty cycle it's really only about 75 watts of constant consumption or 110 watts at 75% duty cycle. Considering all of that I have no fears about running two sets of heated stuff on a T800 and could probably even get away with it with the 1050's charging capacity, though it would be close.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:13 PM   #15026
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Oh, and may I also ask how you like the Montana? I still have the GPSMap 60CSx, but the screen is really small and some of the navigation features are really, really sow. How's the Montana? I was always put of by how big and bulky it is ...
To add a little further to the comparison, here's a shot next to a 2820 that (along with previous iterations) a lot of people used. Granted, if I were on foot, I'd much rather carry the 60CSx, but on a bike, the 60CSx sacrifices a LOT for not much savings in space.





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Old 11-23-2012, 04:34 PM   #15027
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To add a little further to the comparison, here's a shot next to a 2820 that (along with previous iterations) a lot of people used. Granted, if I were on foot, I'd much rather carry the 60CSx, but on a bike, the 60CSx sacrifices a LOT for not much savings in space.
Interesting comparison, thanks for that.

We use the 60CSx for hiking and on the bike. It's great as a dual purpose GPS tracker, it's not so great as a navigation device and I rarely ever use it as one.

Was thinking of getting the Montana or one of the new Zumo 350 series.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:48 PM   #15028
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Interesting comparison, thanks for that.

We use the 60CSx for hiking and on the bike. It's great as a dual purpose GPS tracker, it's not so great as a navigation device and I rarely ever use it as one.

Was thinking of getting the Montana or one of the new Zumo 350 series.
Don't give up on the 60csx that quickly. My trusted unit got me through places like Mexico City, Guatemala City, Nairobi and several others that are a nightmare to navigate through with little hassle.
I still like some of the features of the Montana though.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:53 PM   #15029
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Fit the accessory power socket under the saddle. Stick a DIN plug on your jacket wiring and stick the controller to the outside of the battery box with Velcro. You'll remember to turn everything off when you get snagged by the wiring when you try to walk away from the bike.
Well it ended up just under the seat. Maybe should of gone with the wireless controller, but only have the fixed. The location is handy enough, but can only see the light when off the bike. I do hope I remember to unplug at the enx of a ride. . .

I can post a pic if anyone wants, though not too exciting, test shows the gear works welll.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:55 AM   #15030
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Well it ended up just under the seat. Maybe should of gone with the wireless controller, but only have the fixed. The location is handy enough, but can only see the light when off the bike. I do hope I remember to unplug at the enx of a ride. . .
You can leave the controller "on" with the heated gear unplugged and never, ever run your battery down. It would add no more loss to the battery than your standby on-board electronics... maybe a tiny amount more, but my point is you won't kill your battery by doing so. Now, this is assuming that your controller is an electronic model. If you did indeed kill your battery by leaving the controller "on" then it would be in your garage over a period of three or four weeks with no charger connected and no rides taken.

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