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Old 11-26-2012, 10:36 AM   #3781
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Yes, another thing to take into consideration is, just because BMW is introducing an ENTIRELY new model, doesn't mean they can ignore the natural laws of economy and charge an absorbent amount of money. They have to price the bike along the lines, or slightly higher, of their high end competitors. It just means BMW is raising the bar for the enduro market, yet again
Yeap, competition in this segment is more than ever. Prices announced in other countries are basically the same as the old GS with ABS thrown in.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:50 AM   #3782
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doesn't mean they can ignore the natural laws of economy and charge an absorbent amount of money.


Pleeeze edit, so I can work without laughing out loud and getting pointed at.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:59 AM   #3783
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Pleeeze edit, so I can work without laughing out loud and getting pointed at.
Better? Not sure where I pulled 'absorbent' from, maybe I meant 'obscene'
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:15 AM   #3784
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exorbitant. . ..
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:18 AM   #3785
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exorbitant. . ..
There it is.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:23 AM   #3786
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Better? Not sure where I pulled 'absorbent' from, maybe I meant 'obscene'
Not totally wrong. It could absorb all the money from your checking account.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:02 PM   #3787
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Ya, I like the looks and color of them. I don't do any serious offroading on this bike so the cast wheels will be fine. Easier to clean is a bonus and don't have to think about checking spokes. The cast wheels were already slightly lighter than the spoked but they really made the new ones even lighter...It looks like the spoked wheels were also redesigned and are possibly lighter..I can see cutouts in the hub.
How much lighter are cast compared to cross spoked? Will the road handling be the same, or are cast wheels better for "spirited riding"? I won't be doing much off road, but figured it'll be better to have the right wheels for the job IF I venture off road. Thoughts????
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:25 PM   #3788
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How much lighter are cast compared to cross spoked? Will the road handling be the same, or are cast wheels better for "spirited riding"? I won't be doing much off road, but figured it'll be better to have the right wheels for the job IF I venture off road. Thoughts????
I don't know the weight delta...on the old GS front was identical and rear was just slightly lighter for the cast. I can't recall where I read the specs on the new alloy wheels but they are quite a bit lighter, but I think the spoked wheels are as well. Probably not enough difference to notice though.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:58 PM   #3789
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How much lighter are cast compared to cross spoked? Will the road handling be the same, or are cast wheels better for "spirited riding"? I won't be doing much off road, but figured it'll be better to have the right wheels for the job IF I venture off road. Thoughts????
If your not going off road and you don't have to have the spoked wheel look then get the cast wheels. I wouldn't say they will be miles better on the road but they are easier to look after and won't go out of true like spokes will.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:52 PM   #3790
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Ya, I like the looks and color of them. I don't do any serious offroading on this bike so the cast wheels will be fine. Easier to clean is a bonus and don't have to think about checking spokes. The cast wheels were already slightly lighter than the spoked but they really made the new ones even lighter...It looks like the spoked wheels were also redesigned and are possibly lighter..I can see cutouts in the hub.
Spoked wheels very desirable IMO. Never know when you're going to peg something.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:33 AM   #3791
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If your not going off road and you don't have to have the spoked wheel look then get the cast wheels. I wouldn't say they will be miles better on the road but they are easier to look after and won't go out of true like spokes will.
Although the chances off going off road aren't that high, I still want the cross spokes on the off chance. Wouldn't want to be restricted should my riding mates decide to venture down some tracks
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:44 AM   #3792
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Although the chances off going off road aren't that high, I still want the cross spokes on the off chance. Wouldn't want to be restricted should my riding mates decide to venture down some tracks
Cast wheels are fine for casual off road.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:40 AM   #3793
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How much lighter are cast compared to cross spoked? Will the road handling be the same, or are cast wheels better for "spirited riding"? I won't be doing much off road, but figured it'll be better to have the right wheels for the job IF I venture off road. Thoughts????
This comment from a Brit bike journo on the Guzzi Stelvio launch I thought interesting.

The latest Stelvio comes in two versions in Europe, one with spoked wheels (NTX) and one with cast (8V), and they had both on the launch:

"Swapping between the two and riding through mountain roads it's the 1200 8V version that I wanted to stay on. It's the keener of the two bikes and much easier to throw around. Admittedly it's not carrying an extra 22kg of extras around with it but it's the wheels that make the biggest difference.

"Although the 1200 8V's alloy wheels and the NTX's spoked wheels weigh the same amount, the NTX's carry most of their weight on the rim and this inertia makes a big difference when it comes to cornering. It's not that the NTX is bad at turning on its side, it's just the 1200 8V just feels so much better."

(Quotes from 2012 Stelvio piece at visordown.)

Can't say whether the same applies to the GS wheels, but it may well do.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:43 AM   #3794
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This comment from a Brit bike journo on the Guzzi Stelvio launch I thought interesting.

The latest Stelvio comes in two versions in Europe, one with spoked wheels (NTX) and one with cast (8V), and they had both on the launch:

"Swapping between the two and riding through mountain roads it's the 1200 8V version that I wanted to stay on. It's the keener of the two bikes and much easier to throw around. Admittedly it's not carrying an extra 22kg of extras around with it but it's the wheels that make the biggest difference.

"Although the 1200 8V's alloy wheels and the NTX's spoked wheels weigh the same amount, the NTX's carry most of their weight on the rim and this inertia makes a big difference when it comes to cornering. It's not that the NTX is bad at turning on its side, it's just the 1200 8V just feels so much better."

(Quotes from 2012 Stelvio piece at visordown.)

Can't say whether the same applies to the GS wheels, but it may well do.
That's interesting, as I will be predominantly riding on road. I may have to give this a little more thought.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:32 AM   #3795
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So, is the journo saying that the Stelvio's cast and spoke wheels weigh the same but that the lighter of the two motorcycles (8v) is the easier to maneuver/flick around? No surprise if so. Or is he talking about the construction of each wheel and how the weight is distributed amongst them (hub, spokes, rim versus one cast piece)?
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