New Garmin Montana

[Bli55]

After being unable to twist the screw out, i resorted to doing it properly.
Start off by unscrewing 6 tiny screw and taking off the back panel.
Then take out the button sliding part (hold the tiny spring!!!) and the top (hold the tiny spring!!!):





Now with access to the inside, we see the culprit. Pry it off.



Luckily, Garmin is sane (unlike RAM with their 11mm nut for a large-pitch threaded U bar...) and uses a standart pitch M3 thread. So to a bolt shop I go.
You know the standart screw has threads only at the very end and the thinner stalk moves freely in the hole in the top plastic part. I needed to duplicate that, except that I chose to leave a few more threads at the end.
And if you don't have a lathe:





The standart bolt stops not when the threads go all the way into the well, but when the bolthead touches against the plastic - so it's ok the leave more thread at the end as long as there's something on our new bolt to push against the plastic top part (to mimic the standart bolthead).
In my case, a long "handle":



Put the new bolt in with,remembering it's cone shaped spring, then slip on the retaining clip from the inside (you can leave it out if you think there will be a need to remove the lock screw without taking the mount apart again).
Then put the 2 plastic parts together. Do I need to mention the tiny springs?




They fly far once being bounced off your head and can only be found by lucky chance inside some camera cases.
And don't think breaking a lighter will save you!



Result:

[Bli55]

Originally Posted by ramz

The replacement screw I'm using is threaded all the way, so when I screw it into the case, it does not sit loosely held in by a clip. When I want to lock the release mechanism, I screw the replacement screw all the way in using an allen wrench. It is a bit more awkward
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I won't have a torx security head, just an allen head, but the screw will be the correct length.

If you go through the trouble, might as well eliminate the need to use any tool to operate the mount.
By using a MUCH longer bolt and some "handle".
Or a machined version - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223922.

[number9]

I got my Montana 600 and CNNA 2013 DVD on Monday. I've had nothing but a PITA getting it installed, setup.

I have (had) Mapsource, CNNA v8 on my PC for my 2720 & 60CSx. Garmin said it would be fine for the two setups to play together.

Monday night
Install Basecamp - downloaded file from Garmin to my PC and ran exe from there. Installed fine.
Insert DVD to PC but autorun brings up Bootstrapper.exe - not Setup.exe like the instructions say.
- I browse the DVD and see no Setup.exe anywhere.
- I run the Bootstrapper.exe and it appears to begin the install, talks to the Garmin server, etc and fails with error "The program failed to install the requested maps to your computer". I tried multiple times with same results.
- I found a CityNavigator2013update.msi file (dont hold me to that filename) on the DVD and ran it - it launched and loaded my maps to my PC. Good!!!
- I connect the Montana, click "Install maps to Montana 600" but nothing happens. Try this multiple times, same results. (MapInstall wouldn't launch)

Tuesday evening
I call Garmin support and dude runs over same things I have done, then hands me over to the Software Team.
Girl remotes to my PC and tries everything I did with same results.
- We try to install MapInstall (downloaded from Garmins site) and it starts to install but hangs at the window with the progress bar. Nothing.
- We uninstall / reinstall everything, BaseCamp, MapInstall, maps, and still get same results. She tries older versions of MapInstall, nothing works. She finally gave up and asked me to uninstall EVERYTHING Garmin on my PC, clean the registry of ALL Garmin files and start over.

Her list was Install BaseCamp, then MapInstall, then CNNA 2013.
She told me to be sure and use the BaseCamp.exe and MapInstall.exe files that I had downloaded from Garmin site to install.

I did that and found that a MapInstall registry key was corrupt and had no permissions on it at all. I took ownership of the permissions and was able to delete the key as instructed.

So, now with a clean slate (even the MapSource and CNNA v8 gone) I installed BaseCamp with no issues and confirmed it would launch..
- Install MapInstall - and it hangs, just like it had before.
- I uninstalled BaseCamp.
- I ran the MapInstall exe and it now installed and I confirmed it would launch.
- I ran the BaseCamp install and it error'ed out with "MSI error: File Not Found".

Hmmm So with either BaseCamp or MapInstall laid down first, the other won't install???????

I tested multiple times, installing either one first and confirmed this.

THEN, I realize, wait a minute....BaseCamp install has MapInstall within it....why is she telling me to install it again??? I go to BaseCamp and try it and sure enough MapInstall launches from within BaseCamp OR by launching it alone via the Start->Programs selection.

So, with BaseCamp and MapInstall now both installed and working, I go to the DVD to install the maps.
Still have to install them running the CityNavigator2013update.msi file deep in the directory structure verses the Setup.exe they tell you to - WHICH ISN'T THERE on the DVD.

I get the maps loaded and launch BaseCamp and confirm I can see them in BaseCamp.
However, when I connect the Montana and right click on Internal Storage I don't even have the option to "Install Maps to Montana". It's not even there.???
Launch MapInstall on its own from the Start->Programs menu and it sees the Montana and I load the maps to internal storage.

So, I have my maps installed on the Montana, even used it on the way to work this morning, but I am still not confident that the BaseCamp / MapInstall packages are working correctly together. I am going to test some more when I get home. As stated in an earlier post, BaseCamp should call MapInstall and load maps to the GPS. For some reason, it still doesn't seem to be wanting to do this.

This is with the latest versions of both BC and MI and running on Win7 Enterprise, 64-bit.

Has anyone else had issues like this?

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[Yossarian™]

Originally Posted by number9

Has anyone else had issues like this?

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I know you don't want to hear this, but:

Nope. Mine works fine. Both WinXP and Win7, no issues at all.

[number9]

Anyone with City Nav NA NT2013 DVD - does your DVD have Setup.exe on it?

Just wondering if I got a jacked up copy of the DVD or something.

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[atlas cached]

Originally Posted by Yossarian™

I know you don't want to hear this, but:

Nope. Mine works fine. Both WinXP and Win7, no issues at all.

Your XP and Win7 are both 32-bit, I am guessing?

[Yossarian™]

Originally Posted by atlas cached

Your XP and Win7 are both 32-bit, I am guessing?

My XP was 32-bit. Changed to a new computer two weeks ago, running Win7 64-bit.

However, I'm fairly sure my Basecamp and all other Garmin products are still 32-bit applications.

[atlas cached]

Originally Posted by Yossarian™

My XP was 32-bit. Changed to a new computer two weeks ago, running Win7 64-bit.

However, I'm fairly sure my Basecamp and all other Garmin products are still 32-bit applications.

Does your Win7 machine equipped to allow 32-bit processing?

I do not have a dedicated 64-bit machine to test with at this time... mine are all 32-bit Win XP and Win7, and all function as designed.

[OceanMtnSea]

Originally Posted by atlas cached

Does your Win7 machine equipped to allow 32-bit processing?

I do not have a dedicated 64-bit machine to test with at this time... mine are all 32-bit Win XP and Win7, and all function as designed.

Garmin BC & MI are 32bit.................if using 64bit Win OS they will be loaded in the Program Files (x86) folder.

Mine is Win7 64bit and everything functions properly.

Might be related to the Windows Enterprise version........................I am not familiar with that OS, but maybe there is a limitation there??

[Yossarian™]

Originally Posted by atlas cached

Does your Win7 machine equipped to allow 32-bit processing?

I do not have a dedicated 64-bit machine to test with at this time... mine are all 32-bit Win XP and Win7, and all function as designed.

Yes, as pointed out above, 32-bit programs are in the \%system%\Program Files (x86) folder.

[atlas cached]

Originally Posted by OceanMtnSea

Garmin BC & MI are 32bit.................if using 64bit Win OS they will be loaded in the Program Files (x86) folder.

Not all 64-bit processors support 32-bit processing, and those machines will not have an x86 directory for 32-bit applications.

[number9]

Originally Posted by OceanMtnSea

Garmin BC & MI are 32bit.................if using 64bit Win OS they will be loaded in the Program Files (x86) folder.

Mine is Win7 64bit and everything functions properly.

Might be related to the Windows Enterprise version........................I am not familiar with that OS, but maybe there is a limitation there??

Sorry, my mistake, I am running Win7 Professional 64-bit.

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[guavadude]

Ok I've made some progress, I've loaded CN 2013, OSM maps for a 5 state area and topos from the GPS filedepot in Basecamp and have successfully transferred everything but the CN map to my 16gb SD card in the Montana. I initially installed the CN map into the internal memory before I bought the card.

So now I'm wondering, should I move the CN to the SD card in case I have to do a hard reset? Seems like I read that somewhere in here.

Do I keep a copy of CN on the internal as well or is it bad to have maps duplicated on the card and the internal memory?

[atlas cached]

Originally Posted by guavadude

Ok I've made some progress, I've loaded CN 2013, OSM maps for a 5 state area and topos from the GPS filedepot in Basecamp and have successfully transferred everything but the CN map to my 16gb SD card in the Montana. I initially installed the CN map into the internal memory before I bought the card.

So now I'm wondering, should I move the CN to the SD card in case I have to do a hard reset? Seems like I read that somewhere in here.

Do I keep a copy of CN on the internal as well or is it bad to have maps duplicated on the card and the internal memory?

I keep all my maps and personal GPX files etc on my uSD cards. I only keep the basemap and other basic information on my GPSr unit. Do not duplicate any maps in the {device}\Garmin\ directories.

I make an additional {device}\Archive\ directory and store maps and other files I do not want indexed each time I boot the device, but may want to move into usable memory at a later date when away from home....

If, in the future, you do have an issue with a GPX or map not properly functioning, remove the uSD card, reboot the GPSr WITHOUT the uSD card, power off again, insert uSD card, and reboot once more.

[guavadude]

Originally Posted by atlas cached

I make an additional {device}\Archive\ directory and store maps and other files I do not want indexed each time I boot the device, but may want to move into usable memory at a later date when away from home....

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That helps but not quite following this. The Archive directory is on the SD card? How do you move them from the archive folder to the top directory? Do you have to use your laptop?