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Old 11-29-2012, 08:23 AM   #241
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It is neither cocked nor locked. The striker is not cocked far enough to set off a primer by the cycling of the action. Without PULLING THE TRIGGER, it does not become cocked, if the trigger is released before reaching the point at which the pistol fires-the striker returns to it's partially cocked condition and lacks the energy to fire. Very few striker fired guns have manual safeties to LOCK, if they are locked-you can NOT pull the trigger to cock them.
The whole family of striker fired Glocks and their copies (XDs, M&Ps, etc.) are designed so that (lacking a major mechanical failure) they can't fire without the trigger being depressed. The deficient safety device is 99.99% of the time located between the operator's ears.


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I wasn't aware that all of those weapons were DAO (double action only). I never owned a Glock, because they don't fit my hand well. That makes me doubt the competence of that accidental misfire LEO even more, since DAO pistols require a significant trigger stroke before discharge. I can see accidentally touching the trigger in a dark theater if he was being careless, but grabbing the gun in a firing grip hard enough to move the trigger half an inch is beyond careless. He is a correctional officer at a local prison, so I doubt his weapon is part of his daily routine.

It is disconcerting how many people put their finger straight on the trigger when shouldering a rifle. I work with kids, and we shoot BB guns with hair triggers. No matter how many times I tell them to keep off the trigger, 2 out of 10 will fire a BB before they even look through the peep sights (I'm standing right there, so the BB hits near the target at least). Ready or not, that was their turn shooting, so their actions do have consequences. I always compliment the kids that keep their finger straight until they are on target.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:13 PM   #242
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:41 PM   #243
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Mossberg 590A1 Shotgun & Smith&Wesson Bayonet.
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Very cool
I've been oggling a Saiga 12 for a while but will probably end up with a mossberg 5xx but really need a good safe to keep everything in first.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:53 PM   #244
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Very cool
I've been oggling a Saiga 12 for a while but will probably end up with a mossberg 5xx but really need a good safe to keep everything in first.

IMO is more enjoyable to have some involvement putting the next round in the chamber of your gun than letting a Semi-Auto do the job for you.. Go for a Mossberg 5xx, you'll love it!
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:27 PM   #245
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Can someone explain the idea behind this trigger safety?
If trigger is not pulled... firearm won't go bang.



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Old 11-29-2012, 06:43 PM   #246
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9mm carbine

I'm looking for a 9mm carbine. They seem to be scarcer then hens teeth. I'm looking at CMMG, Coltand ?? Any ideas...
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:54 PM   #247
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Mossberg 590A1 Shotgun & Smith&Wesson Bayonet.
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What's a nice camping knife doing on the end of that shotgun?
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:30 PM   #248
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I'm looking for a 9mm carbine. They seem to be scarcer then hens teeth. I'm looking at CMMG, Coltand ?? Any ideas...
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Something like these?

Double Diamond Glock magzine-specific AR15 lower: http://www.riflegear.com/p-1647-doub...-receiver.aspx

Double Diamond Colt mag-specfic AR15 lower: http://shop.doublediamondsupply.com/...ver-DDAR9L.htm (Note, C-Products is Colt's OEM mag supplier now and their mags are cheaper direct as C-Products than as Colt)

Or, the Lone Wolf version of a Glock mag AR: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/products.aspx?cat=288

They seem to sell pretty quickly, so if they're in stock and you really want one, I'd place the order. If Washington state had legal SBRs I'd be really interested in a SBR 9mm carbine. We can't have 'em, not yet anyway, so that cuts into my interest in a pistol round in a rifle-sized platform.

I'd build something like this in a second once/if SBRs are legal in WA:

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Old 11-30-2012, 12:19 AM   #249
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I don't know if Glock offers this but the S&W M&P has a trigger safety like the Glock's but if someone is concerned there's an option thumb safety.
... and then there is the Ruger SR series (9mm and .40 in standard and compact format) which has a striker that is half-cocked when loaded, it has a trigger safety, thumb safety that prevents the gun from being racked when it is on, and even a magazine safety - the gun can not fire without a magazine present. It also has a very prominent loaded indicator. This gun is so "safe" that it is dangerous with all the stuff added.

Nice pistol though...



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Old 11-30-2012, 07:02 AM   #250
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Something like these?

Double Diamond Glock magzine-specific AR15 lower: http://www.riflegear.com/p-1647-doub...-receiver.aspx

Double Diamond Colt mag-specfic AR15 lower: http://shop.doublediamondsupply.com/...ver-DDAR9L.htm (Note, C-Products is Colt's OEM mag supplier now and their mags are cheaper direct as C-Products than as Colt)

Or, the Lone Wolf version of a Glock mag AR: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/products.aspx?cat=288

They seem to sell pretty quickly, so if they're in stock and you really want one, I'd place the order. If Washington state had legal SBRs I'd be really interested in a SBR 9mm carbine. We can't have 'em, not yet anyway, so that cuts into my interest in a pistol round in a rifle-sized platform.

I'd build something like this in a second once/if SBRs are legal in WA:
YES, This is what I want. I don't know if I can get a SBR in MN.

I own a Ruger SR9c and I love it. Great trigger and accurate.

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Old 11-30-2012, 07:38 AM   #251
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YES, This is what I want. I don't know if I can get a SBR in MN.

I own a Ruger SR9c and I love it. Great trigger and accurate.

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Shouldn't be a problem in MN, just can't run it suppressed.
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:37 AM   #252
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... and then there is the Ruger SR series (9mm and .40 in standard and compact format) which has a striker that is half-cocked when loaded, it has a trigger safety, thumb safety that prevents the gun from being racked when it is on, and even a magazine safety - the gun can not fire without a magazine present. It also has a very prominent loaded indicator. This gun is so "safe" that it is dangerous with all the stuff added.
The more we have these "safety" discussions the more I like my H&K P7...
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:48 AM   #253
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Shouldn't be a problem in MN, just can't run it suppressed.

If you create a gun trust you might be able to get around having the Sheriff sign off on your Form 1/4.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:02 PM   #254
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I'm looking for a 9mm carbine. They seem to be scarcer then hens teeth. I'm looking at CMMG, Coltand ?? Any ideas...
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Look at Keltec. They have a nice 9 carbine. I believe it was posted on this thread earlier.
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:53 PM   #255
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