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Old 11-26-2012, 07:27 PM   #241
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I dropped the sag a bit. Ride height is = to stock. Maybe this will push me to get that Scotts stabilizer pin tower welded on ASAP. That should clear it up!

The bike rides fine as long as both hands are damping the bars, even with a light touch. I hasn't shook at any speed up to 100 MPH actual and on some really rough roads too. The forks need work as they pack up under heavy ripples and washboard tar. The rear end is just planted. The bars on my 950 SMR would wag over 90 MPH, this thing stays straight and true.

If the rear end measures square when I check that, and the roller bearings don't cure it i can live with it. Done it before for 25-30k miles.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:34 PM   #242
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OK to talk about the cbr500 over here? hehehe J/k I didn't mean to get them all upset over there. Wow, whiners. I'm still pretty excited about the 300. Kawa G shows how to change the oil, I just like her fingernail polish, I think she's giving you the ADV salute, right there. But look at those pipes, those are some big tucking pipes. I guess that's like a longer barrel on a rifle, it just makes it go faster.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:53 AM   #243
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My wife has had 2 Ninja 650's but I've only test ridden the new 300. Well more torque and power on the 650, as you'd imagine; gas mileage to the 300 (I'm sure. The 650 averaged about 55-57 w/my wife commuting.); handling to the 300 for flickability; and suspension is a very personal, adjustable, modding sort of thing. The 300 is also smoother feeling. That may be good or bad, depending on how you like your "character" and what you consider character. If I were just running around back roads and looking for economy, I'd go 300. If I were looking for street power, highway, two-up, etc., I'd go 650. That'd leave me w/the 300, were I to do it again. Whether or not that helps...
Sure it does, thanks.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:55 AM   #244
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BTW.. someone already said Versys 300.. but this would be fun too:



I love the looks of the new ER6n.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:55 AM   #245
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OK to talk about the cbr500 over here? hehehe J/k I didn't mean to get them all upset over there. Wow, whiners. I'm still pretty excited about the 300. Kawa G shows how to change the oil, I just like her fingernail polish, I think she's giving you the ADV salute, right there. But look at those pipes, those are some big tucking pipes. I guess that's like a longer barrel on a rifle, it just makes it go faster.

Bah! You got me!

That girl did a few vids about working on the 300. Very interesting to hear her explain some stuff! But nice for the total noobs to see simple tasks are easy to do.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:12 AM   #246
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I did some research and found the older Ninja 250s were pretty famous for the no hands-front wheel death wobble at around 50 MPH too. Nothing has changed in that regard I guess! My ZZR1200 used to do it too, decel no hands wobbles. I always hated that and still do.
Odd...every Ninja 250 that I've ridden (and there have been quite a few, both 1st and 2nd gen) hasn't wobbled at all.
Experienced it on other bikes FZ600, Hawk GT, Ninja 500. But never the 250. Good luck with tracing it down, it is a bit annoying to say the least.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:04 AM   #247
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Yeah, I've found a few other complaints about it on older threads from other sites. I'll keep looking but I bet my damper will cure it anyway unless I figure it out first.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:16 AM   #248
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I, too, hope that you discover the cause - I'd really like to know. It is one thing if you are pushing the limits of the chassis design, and another if something is just "out of tune". Also, while I recognize that steering dampers can be necessary for safety on the race track, where riders are pushing chassis limits, I've always believed that they cover-up true problems on street bikes, and even on enduros where the bikes are not being used at race-speeds. No one chassis design can be stable over the entire range of possible uses, but the everyday envelopes of street and trail riding just aren't that wide. If it wobbles, something else is wrong.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:22 AM   #249
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I know it shouldn't do it but I've owned other bikes that did exactly the same thing from day one. If you google search it, the exact same decel, no hands under 50-40 MPH wobble is common. If I try to get the same result at 40 MPH it goes dead straight. At 80 MPH it won't start till under 50. It is a good little mystery for sure.

I already know Kawi's response, keep your hands on the bars.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:24 AM   #250
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Sure it does, thanks.
You bet.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:47 PM   #251
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I know it shouldn't do it but I've owned other bikes that did exactly the same thing from day one. If you google search it, the exact same decel, no hands under 50-40 MPH wobble is common. If I try to get the same result at 40 MPH it goes dead straight. At 80 MPH it won't start till under 50. It is a good little mystery for sure.

I already know Kawi's response, keep your hands on the bars.

I have two Ninja 500s and they both do the exact thing you describe your 300 as doing. It's common with the 500's. Front tire pressure seems to affect it a good deal, the tapered rollers help as does adjusting fork oil levels. But the BIGGEST impact is making sure your front and rearwheels are aligned with each other. Screw the marks on the swingarm and don't waste time aligning the rear to the frame. Some string wrapped around the back of the rear tire, pulled to the front edge of the front tire (not touching) and just kissing the front edge of the rear tire (confused yet?)... do both sides and measure the distance from the string to the edge of the front tire's tread. Get both sides even and it will greatly reduce the hands off shake, but it won't eliminate it.

There's a writeup with pictures on the ex-500.com WIKI that explains it better.....

The only way to avoid it is.... by keeping your hands on the bars.....
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Old 11-30-2012, 08:18 AM   #252
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HaHa! Thanks for the advice. i'll let you know how it goes.

Next up, a 18k redline?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHHvV...ature=youtu.be

Holy Cow!!! These guys are serious! Thats on the 2013 250 Ninja too!
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:34 AM   #253
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Odd...every Ninja 250 that I've ridden (and there have been quite a few, both 1st and 2nd gen) hasn't wobbled at all.
Experienced it on other bikes FZ600, Hawk GT, Ninja 500. But never the 250. Good luck with tracing it down, it is a bit annoying to say the least.
I can't speak for the pre-gen, but I've never had that happen on a new-gen. I've ridden mine and a few others at events or to help friends diagnose issues, no wobbles.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:39 AM   #254
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HaHa! Thanks for the advice. i'll let you know how it goes.

Next up, a 18k redline?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHHvV...ature=youtu.be

Holy Cow!!! These guys are serious! Thats on the 2013 250 Ninja too!
The first comment on that video is correct. There is no way that is a 4,400rpm idle. I don't trust those tach readings at all.
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:34 PM   #255
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Stopped by the dealer today and gave the 300 a test sit. (They don't allow test rides on new bikes) Everything felt really good! Well except for one thing. Whoever designed the seat should be shot! It is totally and completely devoid of anything resembling padding. I think they put a seat pan on there, folded some cardboard up to give it shape and then put vinyl over the top of it. Crazy!

By contrast, I sat on the redesigned 650 that was right next to it and it is one of the better seats I've ever sat on and by far the best one on a sporty bike. How can one manufacturer get one so right and the other soooooo wrong?
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