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Old 12-03-2012, 11:33 AM   #841
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Nuggets, I think that a tiny-teenie little brake like that might suffer a bit under the strains of a Moto Gymkhana attack!

Maybe it's time to get the hang of some brake augmentation techniques otherwise your back wheel will melt!!
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:42 PM   #842
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Nuggets, I think that a tiny-teenie little brake like that might suffer a bit under the strains of a Moto Gymkhana attack!

Maybe it's time to get the hang of some brake augmentation techniques otherwise your back wheel will melt!!
Explain brake augmentation techniques please
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:07 AM   #843
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Explain brake augmentation techniques please
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Change gearing, brake with closed throttle
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:29 AM   #844
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Brake Augmentation.

This is the art of replacing the amount of braking force from the back brake, with a similar amount from the front brake without upsetting the balance of the bike. Let's say that the front brake is ten times stronger than the rear, so 1 unit of front brake application is worth 10 units of rear brake application.

We have all noticed hopw quickly the rear brake 'fades' under heavy use, so in order to have the optimum braking for the entire attack, we need to use the front brake just enough to keep the rear from becoming useless.

Top riders will tend to use just one finger on the front brake lever (usually the middle) so that they have a very high degree of brake control without running the risk of using too much and losing the front.

This is an 'advanced' technique, but can be practiced readily enough, but only with the bike travelling in a straight line to begin with.

Whizz along at a steady speed and apply enough rear brake to reduce the speed by about 10%. Slowly release the pressure on the rear brake lever whilst at the same time adding a small amount of pressure to the front. If you are doing it right there should be no variation in the speed. Try the technique at different speeds and with varying amount of rear brake pressure. Eventually you should be able to apply maximum rear brake and then almost immediately replace it with sufficient front brake. By getting this technique right you will save your rear brake from fading during an attack so it is always there when you need it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:41 PM   #845
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Brake Augmentation.

This is the art of replacing the amount of braking force from the back brake, with a similar amount from the front brake without upsetting the balance of the bike. Let's say that the front brake is ten times stronger than the rear, so 1 unit of front brake application is worth 10 units of rear brake application.

We have all noticed hopw quickly the rear brake 'fades' under heavy use, so in order to have the optimum braking for the entire attack, we need to use the front brake just enough to keep the rear from becoming useless.

Top riders will tend to use just one finger on the front brake lever (usually the middle) so that they have a very high degree of brake control without running the risk of using too much and losing the front.

This is an 'advanced' technique, but can be practiced readily enough, but only with the bike travelling in a straight line to begin with.

Whizz along at a steady speed and apply enough rear brake to reduce the speed by about 10%. Slowly release the pressure on the rear brake lever whilst at the same time adding a small amount of pressure to the front. If you are doing it right there should be no variation in the speed. Try the technique at different speeds and with varying amount of rear brake pressure. Eventually you should be able to apply maximum rear brake and then almost immediately replace it with sufficient front brake. By getting this technique right you will save your rear brake from fading during an attack so it is always there when you need it.
Pffffft. Sounds like a doddle.
We've gotten ourselves into a whole new level of bike riding guys!
Cheers MGman. I had the same question.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:26 AM   #846
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I do that everytime. Coz of linked brakes :cool:

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Old 12-07-2012, 06:54 PM   #847
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Hey you all. Been out of the loop for some time. Storm Sandy screwed up all of my regular practice locations, and the few times that I was able to get out, I ended up just bouncing from one place to another, without any actual practice being done, and just cruising (which was nice in itself).

On a positive side, my friend finally sorted out his bike and now I have someone to ride with. Unfortunately he is not prepared for winter riding, so as the temperatures drop, he will have to wait for the spring, or get some cold weather gear.

What is everybody up to? I'm seeing some great posts and explanation on front braking, which always warms my heart

I'm seeing some course diagrams, which is always awesome! How are you all doing on GP8 times? Any progress, plateuing, exciting crashes?

AMGRASS guys are getting some action on their boards too, with more people joining, posting, and sharing. Which is awesome!

I'm going to have the next week off, so will try to get out as much as I can, and find a good spot. I have new tires on my bike, which I still don't trust. Had a small slide during one of the recent outings on a lot, and then was asked to leave by local security, so didn't get a chance to really scrub in those tires. Hopefully this week will get rid of the chicken strips.

Oh, what can I do to reducing the screeching of the new brake pads??? My rear screams like a banshee.
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:04 PM   #848
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Oh, what can I do to reducing the screeching of the new brake pads??? My rear screams like a banshee.
I thought squeaky brakes was de rigeur?

I'm guessing the caliper was cleaned & lubed when they were changed? Make sure the pads are seated correctly & moving freely on the pins. Check the disc for scoring or warping too. Check the disc carrier & hub mounts too for slop or any damage. If all is hunky dory whip the pads out & give them a good rub on some smooth concrete to speed up the bedding in process.
Nothing to report on the wobbling front but I have managed to squeeze in some adventure riding on both bikes. Took me 2 hours to get a pie the other day. Not sure if it's a side effect of the practice but I feel much happier sliding the portly, 240kg, TDM around on gravel. Might just have been a burst of sap now that summer has arrived & it's getting hawt!
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Squeaky... yes. But mine literally do scream like banshee. Not only that, but the whaling attracts a lot of unwanted attention.
I'll take them out to see if I find anything abnormal about them.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:00 PM   #850
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So I went out to the local HS parking lot today to give this stuff a try. Wow, harder than I expected. I just set up a GP8 and did maybe 50 laps. I never did get to full lock, but I did try to drop the bike a couple of times due to slow thinking and confused control inputs.

Going back tomorrow...
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:28 AM   #851
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Squeaky brakes can be a real problem and it's always difficult to find and remove the cause. Brakes can squeak because of several well known problems, not all of which are obvious.

A really useful guide to finding and eliminating brake noise has been put together by our friends at EBC.

http://www.ebcbrakes.com/troubleshooting.shtml
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Old 12-09-2012, 08:30 AM   #852
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Thanks to Harvey Krumpet for rubbing in the fact that while the residents of the southern hemisphere sweat it out, we in the frozen north do exactly that, freeze. :(
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Old 12-09-2012, 01:49 PM   #853
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So I went out to the local HS parking lot today to give this stuff a try. Wow, harder than I expected. I just set up a GP8 and did maybe 50 laps. I never did get to full lock, but I did try to drop the bike a couple of times due to slow thinking and confused control inputs.

Going back tomorrow...
I can't modify fonts sizes on tapatalk. if I could, I would make "going back tomorrow" size 48pt and underline it with fire !

when you get full lock, and feel the back tire get greasy... THAT is the good stuff... when you see your buds pushing (and recovering from) the front tire sideways, awesome.

keep it up man !
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:09 PM   #854
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Thanks to Harvey Krumpet for rubbing in the fact that while the residents of the southern hemisphere sweat it out, we in the frozen north do exactly that, freeze. :(
i'm sorry, posted with a sense of relief not cruelty. I believe there are a number of frozen inland sea's in the UK at the moment? The down side is by lunch time it's too hot to do anything including riding a bike, particularly at gymkhana speeds in full gear.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:12 PM   #855
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I can't modify fonts sizes on tapatalk. if I could, I would make "going back tomorrow" size 48pt and underline it with fire !

when you get full lock, and feel the back tire get greasy... THAT is the good stuff... when you see your buds pushing (and recovering from) the front tire sideways, awesome.

keep it up man !
Currently for me, recovering from losing the front involves picking the bike up off the ground & whacking the handlebars straight again before my next lap.
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