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Old 12-03-2012, 04:02 PM   #16
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There are few things to note here (in addition to what was already said):

  • Tires with a higher silica content are just sticker in the rain
    • I have found Tourances to be very good in the wet
  • Be SMOOTH imagine like you are riding on ice
    • smooth is fast and smooth is safe
    • Gentle on the front brake, little more of the rear. Always use both.
  • Get good rain gear
    • a comfortable rider is a safe one, you wont be cold or distracted
    • Waterproof gloves, cold hands are the worse when wet
  • Good helmet and visor - something that breathes well and doesn't fog up easily.
Basically you just have to adjust your speed to the conditions. A bike is less likely to hydroplane than a car for one major reason. PSI - there is more pressure on the contact patch of a bike than there is on a car. This has also been addressed by other posts above.


What to avoid:


Painted anything - lines, arrows, strips
Tar Stripes
Manhole covers
If it looks shiny assume it is slippery


I ride year round and really enjoy riding in the rain. Once you learn to trust the bike and know what to expect it just becomes second nature.


Now lets talk about riding on ice....




Done that too but it is a completely different ball game.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:47 PM   #17
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I avoid riding in the rain whenever possible. My tires are great, my skills OK, my gear water-proof.

But like so much on the moto, it's not me. It's the other guy. And I simply cannot trust Bay Area drivers when the weather is bad. Seriously, they are worse than Florida in the rain.

Off road is another story, of course—that shit is F-U-N.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:16 PM   #18
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Your control inputs need to be more smooth. You can't transfer the weight around as quickly. So take more time getting on the throttle, getting on the brakes and getting to your lean angle.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:09 AM   #19
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I beleive that most of us would not outride the grip of good tyres on a race track in the wet.We would may have to modulate braking or throttle inputs but actual cornering grip Ii think would astound you.
Well having ridden the track in the rain, when you push too hard you can and will override your tires. Mind you I Was not riding with "Rain" tires as I was just there on a street bike having some fun. I thought I had dialed it back a notch or two but once you are out on the track you just keep pushing a little more, and a little more. I did not crash but when that bike starts to slide out you know you have reached the traction limits.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:17 AM   #20
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Find an empty field of wet grass. Learn what it feels like to lose traction and play with it. Learn how to slide on soft ground and low speeds where the consequences are limited.
I wouldn't suggest using this technique aboard a 500lb street bike. You'll just drop it, break a few parts and need help picking it up. Plus nothing really translates to riding on tar. This fellow has apparently never ridden a street bike in the grass...maybe a mini cycle.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:19 AM   #21
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Well having ridden the track in the rain, when you push too hard you can and will override your tires. Mind you I Was not riding with "Rain" tires as I was just there on a street bike having some fun. I thought I had dialed it back a notch or two but once you are out on the track you just keep pushing a little more, and a little more. I did not crash but when that bike starts to slide out you know you have reached the traction limits.
I've ridden track days in the rain on DOT tires. Not a big deal. You just ride a lot slower and are gentle with controls. As others have said, modern high silica tires are remarkable in the wet. I guess that's why they have such a short life.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:51 AM   #22
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I drive to work every day, also in bad weather.
When it rains it's usually also colder, so your tires take a lot longer to warm up. That's the most important thing to remember. It's different to start your ride in the rain (cold tires, less grip), than to have been driving for half an hour and then getting some downpour (you'll have much better grip in corners).

Accelerating in a straight line will feel the same, when braking and cornering you have to do more careful.
The first miles I drive careful and take corners very slow.

When your tires are still cold, check if there's a dry line on the road and try to follow it. In heavy rain you're usually better off driving in the line of the wheels of cars, but sometimes it's better in the middle of the road.

Be careful on painted lines - therefor again take corners slowly so you drive straight over a zebra crossing and only start to turn when you've passed it.

Keep enough distance from cars before you..
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:20 AM   #23
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The main thing I dislike about rain riding is the reduced visibility in a hard rain. I still worry about someone not seeing me, or skidding into me. But - this is true even when I'm in my car, I find driving in a hard rain stressful and exhausting, particularly after dark.

If you live in an area where it rains infrequently, it will be slicker during the first few minutes of a rain, at least until the oil drippings wash away. A lot of "rain wrecks" occur in the first 5-10 minutes of a shower. I found this more an issue in Texas than where I now live, since Florida rains a lot and the streets stay generally cleaner. If a downpour just started, it's not a bad ideal to sit out for 10-15 minutes.

When I got back into riding a couple years ago, I took the MSF course, and it rained off and on during both range days. This was actually good, since everyone got to see how well you can brake and corner in the rain in a controlled environment. Maybe the MSF should always be conducted on a wet track?
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:35 AM   #24
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Contrary to the above the most important thing for rain riding is to stay warm and dry. Being comfortable allows your brain to work properly because it has no distractions trying to keep you comfortable. Good gear is step one.

Ride normally while being aware of reduced braking. Modern tires have more grip than most riders will use in the wet. As the age/wear that diminishes so keep that in mind. Do your best to avoid heavy traffic even if it means a longer ride. Unless absolutely necessary avoid abrupt actions. Concentrate on being as smooth as possible.

The important part is practice. Yep go ride in the rain and gently seek the limit of maximum braking. Don't do this on a crowded highway. Find an empty parking lot and practice braking harder until either you become very uncomfortable or find the edge,always being ready for that sudden loss of traction. Don't do this in standing water. A sure way to find the value of your gear.

Once you have the braking down try cornering in the wet. Using the same empty parking lot ride in BIG circles and gently seek the edge. Keep the smooth riding in mind and increase speeds until comfort becomes slim or you find the edge.

Been riding for 50 years on/off road and still screw around with this. And I love a good mud race off road. If you can buy a dirt bike and ride off road. It's the best way to learn control of a motorcycle in adverse conditions.

Have fun and approach it without apprehension. Pay attention to what the bike does and what you do to control it when things get dicey. learn to ride well and you'll ride for a long time.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:44 AM   #25
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Reduced Visability makes iding dangerous. Cars cannot see us, This is partially due to the rain itself and compounde by the spray off the rear tire of the bike.

Several years ago myself and my cousin were riding matching bikes back from Albany in the ouring rain. We were being followed by my wife in the car. She made sure to tell us at the first stop that she could not see my cousin as the spray masked the tail light and made it impossible to see him or his bike. On the other hand she could see me, to be specific my lights. I had removed the rear turn signals, and replaced them with a set of front signals so they acted not only as turn signals but also as marker lights. The marker lights set out to the sides of the bike where the spray was not as think could be seen.

Since this we have converted the rear lights on all the bike we ride to aid in being seen in adverse conditions.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:27 AM   #26
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Grip in rain can be fine. It can also disappear in a split second. I don't worry about traction much on the slab. My bike's not as likely to hydroplane as a cage and the turns are rarely very sharp at the speed limit. My main concerns are lightning, visibility (seeing and being seen), paint, metal, contaminants, and cagers being stupid. Rule of thumb for traction is to ride like you're driving on snow...all inputs being smooth, give yourself plenty of room for avoidance, and slow down for turns in case traction isn't as good as you thought it was. Paint, metal, or contaminants can be SLICK when wet.

As for being seen, I wear hi-viz/reflective, my bike is lit up on all sides, and I keep a slow weave in my lane going to create lateral motion.

Stay aware, using your peripheral vision and mirrors. Use a pinlock or some other anti-fog solution that works for you.
Bolded fer importance; the street is not the track! Grip can vary a lot on the street.
Last weekend I dun rode my favorite twisties after sum serious rain storms. The clean wet parts had excellent grip, butt there wuz also corners where mud, rocks, tree branches and other debris were in the road. (Much less grip on muddy roads w/ leaves 'n shit)
A pinlock on mah SHOEI RF1100 works great. The SHOEI face shield seals well, 'n the pinlock keeps the fog at bay so'z I can see wut I'm run'in into.

I also "soften up" mah suspension; turn out preload compression & rebound damping ta lower mah pig, 'n make her more compliant.

As mentioned above, be smooth! Unless yer do'in the hooligan thang?
Cum'in from dirt bikes, we alwayz looked forward ta the rainy season, 'n slip slid'in 'round. Now I just take that same pleasure to the streets.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:46 AM   #27
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Tires have been mentioned (I run Michelin Pilot II here on the Wet-side of Oregon) as has the slow and smooth...

Ride to the road conditions. First rain for a while? Slick as a fuel spill! Let some of the oils and other contaminates get washed off the road for a while and you should be back up to around 80% traction.

Leave more space. It will take a proficient rider 60' to 120' longer to stop a bike on wet raods than dry roads. (perhaps even longer depending on bike and conditions) This is where ABS brakes really show their value.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:44 AM   #28
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I had a few times were i had to ride thru nasty downpours to get home and honestly once you relaxed it wasn't that bad.
You do need to be more carefull with leaning, brakeing and such but if you use your head you'll be fine, i was surprised at how well my visor stayed clean, hell my gear was spotless after those rides.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:50 AM   #29
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The "600 cc Sport bike" and "New rider" really stick out. Nothing you can do about being new except practice. All 600cc bikes are not created equally either, so some of this is best guess for you.

Slow down for the road conditions. There are new things to watch for in the wet. Center of the lane has been talked about and despite some beliefs around here is a poor choice on dry conditions as well. Watch for "rainbow" effects. That is oil, fuel or something equally as slick. Watch out for the beginning of a rain event too, it will float all the oils and junk off the road. Asphalt age can make a lot of difference, and concrete, brick(stay off this if possible), gravel and everything else have different traction qualities. IMHO concret is best, but YMMV.

Speed is relative, I have put thousands of miles on the highway at full speed limits, but they were wide open with limited traffic. The main thing is DO NOT do anything fast. Take offs, braking, maneuvering. Plan farther ahead than normal and keep your game on high alert. This is one of the worst time in your life to get laxed.

Maintain your ride. Good rubber is a must on 2 wheels. All tires aren't created equal either, so do your homework when you buy. Knowing your brakes and how they react is a must. Well,,,,,,,, just take care of your ride no matter what.

Do you have ABS? I don't want to start the whole pro/con thing, and I am not much of a fan. Not because they aren't a good thing, but too many people think practice isn't needed to stay alive. ABS aren't made to stop you "faster" although they will in some conditions, they are made to keep you in control. SO, that said, practice hard braking wet and dry.

Gear. You gotta be comfortable and warm. Wet will chill you to a dangerous level in a hurry on a motorcycle. I ride a tour bike and usually have no problems and really don't get that wet, but I also have good rain gear with me 365 days a year. Your choice and you have to decide what works for you.

Good luck, Don't fear the rain. Stay off the throttle hard. Stay off the brakes hard. BTW, no finger pointing, but,just because you don't think it is too agressive doesn't mean it isn't. Food for thought.

Smooth, alert and well maintained will get you far in your motorcycle life.

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Old 12-04-2012, 11:05 AM   #30
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Well i read this post and i am happy that i am a member of this board ... nice people and allot of useful information... i started this thread in the hope that i can get some advice and i am going to follow the advice you guys gave me...
There are some things that may be better where i live cause in Germany road conditions are very good ... in comparison to canada where i lived for 1 year there is no comparison.... i live in a mountain area in germany not far away from the greatest mountain passes in Europe ( i learned that from ride reports from this site...thanks...)...
Until now i was only riding the bike on sunny days and never in rain because i got that fear...and also because of poor gear... now i plan to get a bike in spring ...with ABS...and i am already looking to buy gear this winter before i purchase the bike so i can be fully equipped...
I have also changed my views about riding a bike ... i want to ride 8 months a year if i can and take some nice trips 1000 km ore more in this new season... also until now i was always riding the 600 cc bike like i stole it...i got over that and now i am trying to get a bike that has a more comfortable position and more torque 1200 cc ( to be exact stelvio 1200 my dream...)...


Thanks allot for the awesome advice ....


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