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Old 12-04-2012, 08:02 AM   #15121
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Whether you're comfortable not being able to flat foot a bike or not depends on a bunch of variables. Like your upper body strength, leg strength, experience level, terrain, bike, yada, yada, yada.

I'd be more comfortable on tiptoe or one foot with something like a 375 lb Dr650 vs something like a 600lb Tenere or Stelvio. Depends on the cg of the bike too.

Less experienced riders haven't developed the comfort level more experienced riders may have.

I don't get you guys that don't get this. You sound like you were experts from the get go.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:16 AM   #15122
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Agreed. I do see quite a few, though, who refuse to embrace the learning curve and "tripod" a bike at standstill.
Could very well be the moto press has brainwashed many into thinking they NEED to flatfoot. I'd gather that most of us wnat as much clearence as possible and are willing to adapt out technique to make this so.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:25 AM   #15123
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Me sat on my bike. Pretty much flat footing with bent knees....
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:37 AM   #15124
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Whether you're comfortable not being able to flat foot a bike or not depends on a bunch of variables. Like your upper body strength, leg strength, experience level, terrain, bike, yada, yada, yada.

I'd be more comfortable on tiptoe or one foot with something like a 375 lb Dr650 vs something like a 600lb Tenere or Stelvio. Depends on the cg of the bike too.

Less experienced riders haven't developed the comfort level more experienced riders may have.

I don't get you guys that don't get this. You sound like you were experts from the get go.
Totally agree. This is mostly an experience issue. Some of the top MX and enduro riders can't flatfoot their bikes.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:23 AM   #15125
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Whether you're comfortable not being able to flat foot a bike or not depends on a bunch of variables. Like your upper body strength, leg strength, experience level, terrain, bike, yada, yada, yada.

I'd be more comfortable on tiptoe or one foot with something like a 375 lb Dr650 vs something like a 600lb Tenere or Stelvio. Depends on the cg of the bike too.

Less experienced riders haven't developed the comfort level more experienced riders may have.

I don't get you guys that don't get this. You sound like you were experts from the get go.
I still don't get it. But yes, maybe just can't relate. I started riding in the 60's.

However, I didn't think we were dealing with noobs here with XC owners either. I'm not that tall at 5-10 and wear a 30" inseam. I have ridden all those bikes you mention, without issue. The tallest are the KTM dirtbikes, seat height at like 38in. Of course they squash down quite a bit when you sit on them. And yes, bike size has at least something to do with it, but the XC isn't nearly the heft as either bike you mention. That's why I chose the XC.

With two-up and luggage it's a handful for this 175lb weakling. I would rather run the seat up high to give more legroom to the pegs, but find issue with getting a toe down with it that high, so I run the seat at the lower setting. I don't recall any bike in my past that I could flat-foot, hence my comment.

Instead of saying 'you guys', why didn't you just address me directly since I started it.
I just thought it was being made more if an issue than it needed to be. I personally think lowered bikes have been hobbled, but understand it for really short riders.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:04 AM   #15126
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I get "it", but just don't agree with it. I don't see why anyone should "learn" one method, just to have to "learn" a different one when they get out of their comfort zone. Let's face it, the average individual can't flat foot many of the Adventure or Dual Sport bikes. I'm no expert by any means, but if you're not confident enough or willing to learn how to hold a bike up at a stop with one leg, maybe you should take up another hobby.

To me, you are defeating the purpose of an Adventure/Dual Sport bike by lowering it. If you're going to do that, why not just buy something more suitable to start with.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:50 AM   #15127
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I'll call BS on that (lower than Harley) statement, and also add a "get your ass off the seat" to it.

Now my Buell would definatly lean over further than my Roadie.

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I do get my ass off the seat - you have to in the tight technical twisties where I live. The Harley was a bone stock XR1200, it corners better than most people think and it did scrape less frequently than my T800 Roadie - at least before I installed the suspension risers (shorter dog bones). Here's a spent PR2 on the HD...Clicky.

Owned BMWs before that (R1100S, R1150GS most recently) never touch down on those.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:39 PM   #15128
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Lowering my XC had nothing to do with flat footin' it. With a hip having a severely restricted range of motion, I had to lower it to be able to mount the damn thing, and even now, usually have it on the side stand to get on. Everybody's got different issues and reasons-do what's necessary so you can keep riding!
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:57 PM   #15129
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Some of this talk about what is right or what is ruining the intent of the bike is just nuts. Do what you want to the bike. I don't run street tires on my XC but plenty of people do and they have fun with it. If it makes you happy do it-- just get out and ride
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:04 PM   #15130
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Lowering my XC had nothing to do with flat footin' it. With a hip having a severely restricted range of motion, I had to lower it to be able to mount the damn thing, and even now, usually have it on the side stand to get on. Everybody's got different issues and reasons-do what's necessary so you can keep riding!
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Some of this talk about what is right or what is ruining the intent of the bike is just nuts. Do what you want to the bike. I don't run street tires on my XC but plenty of people do and they have fun with it. If it makes you happy do it-- just get out and ride
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:03 PM   #15131
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Some of this talk about what is right or what is ruining the intent of the bike is just nuts. Do what you want to the bike. I don't run street tires on my XC but plenty of people do and they have fun with it. If it makes you happy do it-- just get out and ride
I'm only 5'9 and have the balls of my feet on the ground when riding solo with the shock at its lowest setting. When riding two up or with luggage, I can only tip toe due to having to raise the shock. I'm fine with that. It doesn't make me nervous or uncomfortable. But that's just me. Not everyone is 6'0 tall or taller. There is nothing wrong with lowering your bike. It's what's so great about what we do. We all customize our bikes for each of us. What works for some doesn't work for others.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:06 AM   #15132
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The only time I'd like to be able to flat-foot is when I'm riding 2-up and when I'm riding 2-up I don't need much ground clearance as I'm not doing dirt. The rest of the time when I'm riding solo, I can handle the seat height just fine - the seat height on the XR is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than the Tigger.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:09 AM   #15133
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Nice one guys. 2 solid pages on flat footing a motorcycle. Can we make it 3
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:26 AM   #15134
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Nice one guys. 2 solid pages on flat footing a motorcycle. Can we make it 3
Posts like this always make me giggle. What exactly do you expect to talk about in a thread like this

If the current topic du jour doesn't interest you then just ignore it....
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:33 AM   #15135
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what da...

You guys put your FEET DOWN?

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