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Old 12-04-2012, 01:45 AM   #286
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If course I know that KLR's don't make much power.

You must not realize that knowing Kawi can't manage decent power out of 650cc's/liquid cooled/twin cam...but thinking somehow they'll give you a 450 that makes more HP and gets nearly 60MPG is a fantasy

I have a 50hp 450. I get it...but thinking that this is some magic engine size that will magically do everything is ridiculous
Your hatred for Kawasaki is clearly blinding you. It's not that they "can't" make a powerful 650 dual sport. It's that they already make the best selling 650 dual sport on the market (In fact I believe the KLR is kawasakis third or fourth best selling bike in their line up) so they have no reason to modernize it.

I've had bikes (as in more than one) from each of the Japanese manufacturers & they all have their ups & downs but, NONE of them have been a lemon or had me regretting I bought it.

I never said I thought the 450 was an "engine that will magically do everything", in fact a modern 450 dual sport was clearly my second choice. My dream bike was clearly stated as a dual sport based on the 700 Raptor engine with a six speed tranny & modern suspension. However, a modern 450 D.S. bike (from Honda or anyone else) would be a nice option to have on the market. Considering that the 650 Terra is getting right around 60 mpg, I don't think it would take "magic" for the Japanese to do the same with a 450.
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:46 AM   #287
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I don't hate Kawi...and I'm certainly not a bike snob. On the contrary, I'll ride anything.

While you guys are hoping and praying for what you think will be the "wonder bike" if only Japan would build it, there are those of us motorcycle dudes who aren't locked to one brand (or region), willing to ride the bike that checks the boxes, and are already enjoying bikes that do all the stuff you appear to be looking for

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Old 12-04-2012, 04:50 AM   #288
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I don't hate Kawi...and I'm certainly not a bike snob. On the contrary, I'll ride anything

Bragging about a bike being the "best seller" because it's made out of cheap crap and sold for dirt cheap? Really?

While you guys are hoping and praying for what you think will be the "wonder bike" if only Japan would build it, there are those of us motorcycle dudes who aren't locked to one brand (or region), willing to ride the bike that checks the boxes, and are already enjoying bikes that do all the stuff you appear to be looking for

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Old 12-04-2012, 05:56 AM   #289
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i always thought people liked honda because they are the most reliable. hardest to kill bikes out there. not because they build fancy high dollar super bikes like the euro bikes.

and alot of people like hondas way of keeping the same design for more then 3 years... it makes for more, cheaper, and easier to find aftermarket and factory parts especial on the future.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:50 AM   #290
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I think it is likely that Honda will be dragged into a displacement D/S war with Kawasaki as the new Ninja is a 300 now. Of course the CRF250L is actually based on the street bike 250CBR engine. I expect it will soon be a 300 or 350 by default as Fat Americans always want bigger displacement. The CRF250L type is the wave of the future. It is more likely from past Honda practice that the XR series bikes will just disappear from the US market. Emission standards make this logical. We will likely not see carbs on any road use machines within 2 yrs. I also expect to see them build only 1 size of true D/S bike for our market much like Yamaha D/S (I think we will see the WR250R grow also). Actually a 350 was always a pretty nice size for a lot of dual-sport stuff....... before every American went to 225 lbs!
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:27 AM   #291
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I think it is likely that Honda will be dragged into a displacement D/S war with Kawasaki as the new Ninja is a 300 now. Of course the CRF250L is actually based on the street bike 250CBR engine. I expect it will soon be a 300 or 350 by default as Fat Americans always want bigger displacement. The CRF250L type is the wave of the future. It is more likely from past Honda practice that the XR series bikes will just disappear from the US market. Emission standards make this logical. We will likely not see carbs on any road use machines within 2 yrs. I also expect to see them build only 1 size of true D/S bike for our market much like Yamaha D/S (I think we will see the WR250R grow also). Actually a 350 was always a pretty nice size for a lot of dual-sport stuff....... before every American went to 225 lbs!

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Old 12-04-2012, 07:33 AM   #292
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Speak for yourself

I actually weigh 175 with all my gear on and think that even a 250 is fine. I always think it is funny to see 280 lb. guys putting on "lightweight mufflers" or worrying about "how much bike X weighs".... Stop eating those carbohydrates America if you want your bike to perform better.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:29 PM   #293
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I actually weigh 175 with all my gear on and think that even a 250 is fine. I always think it is funny to see 280 lb. guys putting on "lightweight mufflers" or worrying about "how much bike X weighs".... Stop eating those carbohydrates America if you want your bike to perform better.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:04 PM   #294
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Sorry if this is already been said. Now that I think about it it probably has. Anyway it's time to overhaul the XR650L. Keep it air cooled but add a sixth gear and shave 75# off the thing. Give it 20 more HP while they're at it. Honda if you're reading this keep it bomb proof and keep it simple. Don't try to be a KTM. Be a Honda and be it like a boss.

This is what the new XR600-650L should look like only with a 600-650cc air cooled motor. And Keep the kickstart. Chicks dig it.



Or this. Never happen

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Old 12-05-2012, 07:33 AM   #295
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KTM may be making a small ADV bike.

I just hope SOMEBODY will


“…the 390cc is coming which is a full faired version and the so called tour purpose version,” KTM CEO Stefan Pierer told India’s CNBC-TV18, revealing the development of future models based around the KTM 390 Duke‘s new motor. “We are talking about somewhere between 12 to 18 months,” he continues. “Every six months something will come.”
The remarks come as part of a video interview with the channel, largely focussed on KTM’s relationship with Bajaj. You can read the full transcript and watch the vidwo on CNBC-TV18′s website.
Last year, a slide from a dealer presentation on future models leaked, revealing both a “Moto3 350″ and an “Enduro 350.” Given that the the same slide listed a “Duke 350,” which is now the 390 Duke, it stands to reason that the two models Pierer references will take the form of a fully-faired race-rep and a sort of mini ADV or dual sport, both based on the same 44bhp, 370cc single and, given KTM’s recent propensity for platform sharing (the 125, 200 and 390 Dukes all use the same chassis), it seems likely that both models could share frames too.
All this is a very good thing. Not only is the 390 Duke seriously light at 320lbs (wet), but it should be relatively affordable too, with signs pointing to a dollar price point in the region of $6,500.


http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...alks-new-390s/
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:22 AM   #296
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They already have it! Update it for the noobies or just re-release it for the old timers!





Comfy seat and ergos, streetable power, a REAL d-sport vs a deturned desert rocket or mile high MXer,.....I'd buy it!
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:18 AM   #297
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KTM may be making a small ADV bike.

I just hope SOMEBODY will


“…the 390cc is coming which is a full faired version and the so called tour purpose version,” KTM CEO Stefan Pierer told India’s CNBC-TV18, revealing the development of future models based around the KTM 390 Duke‘s new motor. “We are talking about somewhere between 12 to 18 months,” he continues. “Every six months something will come.”
The remarks come as part of a video interview with the channel, largely focussed on KTM’s relationship with Bajaj. You can read the full transcript and watch the vidwo on CNBC-TV18′s website.
Last year, a slide from a dealer presentation on future models leaked, revealing both a “Moto3 350″ and an “Enduro 350.” Given that the the same slide listed a “Duke 350,” which is now the 390 Duke, it stands to reason that the two models Pierer references will take the form of a fully-faired race-rep and a sort of mini ADV or dual sport, both based on the same 44bhp, 370cc single and, given KTM’s recent propensity for platform sharing (the 125, 200 and 390 Dukes all use the same chassis), it seems likely that both models could share frames too.
All this is a very good thing. Not only is the 390 Duke seriously light at 320lbs (wet), but it should be relatively affordable too, with signs pointing to a dollar price point in the region of $6,500.


http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...alks-new-390s/
It seems like the new trend in street-legal ds thumpers is to see who can gain the most weight the quickest.....even the KTM's have porked up way too much over the years. The xrl650L weighs 346 wet....I've been able to trim 20+lbs off it very easily.....the new crf-250L weighs 320 wet, I believe the KLR-250 is similiar...and the Husky Terra weighs 408 wet. It seems like everything weighs a ton anymore, regardless of engine size.

What the heck happened to a dirt bike with lights that was actually FUN to ride in the dirt??

At this rate I hate to imagine what behemoth of a porker Honda might replace the xrl with

Unfortunately imo 320lbs wet for a KTM 390cc enduro with 44hp is still too heavy. The xrl engine as it came in the nx 650 (same exact engine and specs) was rated at 44hp from what I've read, and has WAY more torque, (and even more hp easily accessible derestricted) than a 390. Plus its mega easy to get an xrl down to 320 wet.

Honda along with the rest of these guys need to get back to making lightweight dual-sports, not 320lb 250's that put out 19hp to the rear wheel.......wrong direction Honda

I'm not sure if its water cooling, more complex electronics/fuel injection, stricter emmissions which equals more smog crap, or if the manufacturers just think we want tanks to ride off-road, but I'm not understanding the constant weight gain in a class that used to be intended as a street-legal dirt bike.

I think its time to bring back 2 stroke dual-sports.....just modernized.
THAT would kick ass
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:58 AM   #298
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They already have it! Update it for the noobies or just re-release it for the old timers!





Comfy seat and ergos, streetable power, a REAL d-sport vs a deturned desert rocket or mile high MXer,.....I'd buy it!
It would be nice to have those comfy seats back again. Who decided that we did not like those seats? The biggest problem with the XR series is that emissions keep getting tougher and that head is at the end of it's line as far as the engineers can clean it up. That CRF250L is it's replacement type as a new,clean engine design.Honda probably still sells an XR similar to this in Asia, SA and Africa where no one cares about emissions....YET.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:07 AM   #299
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It seems like the new trend in street-legal ds thumpers is to see who can gain the most weight the quickest.....even the KTM's have porked up way too much over the years. The xrl650L weighs 346 wet....I've been able to trim 20+lbs off it very easily.....the new crf-250L weighs 320 wet, I believe the KLR-250 is similiar...and the Husky Terra weighs 408 wet. It seems like everything weighs a ton anymore, regardless of engine size.

What the heck happened to a dirt bike with lights that was actually FUN to ride in the dirt??

At this rate I hate to imagine what behemoth of a porker Honda might replace the xrl with

Unfortunately imo 320lbs wet for a KTM 390cc enduro with 44hp is still too heavy. The xrl engine as it came in the nx 650 (same exact engine and specs) was rated at 44hp from what I've read, and has WAY more torque, (and even more hp easily accessible derestricted) than a 390. Plus its mega easy to get an xrl down to 320 wet.

Honda along with the rest of these guys need to get back to making lightweight dual-sports, not 320lb 250's that put out 19hp to the rear wheel.......wrong direction Honda

I'm not sure if its water cooling, more complex electronics/fuel injection, stricter emmissions which equals more smog crap, or if the manufacturers just think we want tanks to ride off-road, but I'm not understanding the constant weight gain in a class that used to be intended as a street-legal dirt bike.

I think its time to bring back 2 stroke dual-sports.....just modernized.
THAT would kick ass
The 390KTM adventure version is a great concept.Yes, the weight thing is difficult to accept for those of us concerned. Perhaps there will always be a weight penalty for liquid-cooling. Hopefully the extra weight emissions stuff can be pulled off to save weight. Is it the CA Regs that are responsible for the extra weight for emissions equipment?

That is a nice sized displacement for power v weight.

Now if Honda would just sell a version of the 450 Dakar with a long-hours use motor- perhaps most of us except CA could use it to travel.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:13 AM   #300
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They already have it! Update it for the noobies or just re-release it for the old timers!





Comfy seat and ergos, streetable power, a REAL d-sport vs a deturned desert rocket or mile high MXer,.....I'd buy it!
Yes, great motorcycle. Perhaps a modern version with liquid cooling. Cool!
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