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Old 12-06-2012, 10:10 AM   #136
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I will tell ya what..... I paid $1500 for my KLR. I spent a fair bit of money building it up. I think I am now totally into it about $6K with motor, suspension, and fairing, total. I can strip it to nuts and bolts on the side of the trail if I need to. I am still into it less than a comparable KTM would cost me. I ride almost every day, when it is not snowing, I ride the dirt and gravel roads of Montana extensively, and I ride single track now with my buddies on KTM 450 trail bikes. I am not nearly as fast, but every time they wait at the top of something help me, and plow right through while they collect their jaws off the ground.

No, my bike isn't a KTM, but it was cheaper to build, is simple to work on, and has NEVER failed me, even when I have screwed up mechanically. Comparing it to a KTM is silly. With a 705 kit, headwork, and some other tweaks, it is one helluva bike. And my butt dyno confirms it has more than enough oomph to get me in trouble.

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Old 12-06-2012, 10:44 AM   #137
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I will tell ya what..... I paid $1500 for my KLR. I spent a fair bit of money building it up. I think I am now totally into it about $6K with motor, suspension, and fairing, total. I can strip it to nuts and bolts on the side of the trail if I need to. I am still into it less than a comparable KTM would cost me. I ride almost every day, when it is not snowing, I ride the dirt and gravel roads of Montana extensively, and I ride single track now with my buddies on KTM 450 trail bikes. I am not nearly as fast, but every time they wait at the top of something help me, and plow right through while they collect their jaws off the ground.

No, my bike isn't a KTM, but it was cheaper to build, is simple to work on, and has NEVER failed me, even when I have screwed up mechanically. Comparing it to a KTM is silly. With a 705 kit, headwork, and some other tweaks, it is one helluva bike. And my butt dyno confirms it has more than enough oomph to get me in trouble.

Bullshit.

I have under $7000 into my 950. Including driving to SLC from Ft.Worth to get it, purchased OCT 2010.

I have $5500 or so into my 2004 525exc including the 540cc kit and dualsport kit. And i bought it in 2008.

Take it shittilly if you want, but you're exactly the guy that perpetuates this crap. Both of these bikes are designed and intended to strip to the frame if needed with not much more than the included tool kit. I've never worked on anything less user-friendly than Kawasaki motorcycles. And I've built everything from backyard gokarts to 3,000hp drag cars and everything inbetween including time as a Lexus Master technician and ALMS car chief. Even the GS is easier to perform regular maintenance on.

Its a free country, but saying you have FAR LESS money in your heavily modded tractor is a flat out lie.

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Old 12-06-2012, 10:49 AM   #138
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Even the GS is easier to perform regular maintenance on.

Wrong. Regular maintenance on a KLR is a one hour valve adjustment, GS is a 16 hour spline lube.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:50 AM   #139
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Quality thread guys,i've been checking but only got as far as the 2nd/3rd page, needless to say i missed the cat fights between klr owners and the ktm owners, having just caught up while having tea i can say it;'s been one of the best films i've ever seen, abuse/terror/hilarity/sadness and that was just the ktm owners, gentlemen i salute you.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:50 AM   #140
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Wow, yay for you. I looked. I work on all kinds of vehicles too. I said comparing them was foolish. I only compared costs of what I built compared to what I could find. I never said anything else about your precious KTM. In fact, I like them a lot. Just not in my budget.

I am not here to argue. Have a nice day.

It must be hard going through life being so angry all the time.
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:52 AM   #141
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And I said was I was into less. Never FAR LESS...wow, people are awesome.
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Bullshit.

I have under $7000 into my 950. Including driving to SLC from Ft.Worth to get it, purchased OCT 2010.

I have $5500 or so into my 2004 525exc including the 540cc kit and dualsport kit. And i bought it in 2008.

Take it shittilly if you want, but you're exactly the guy that perpetuates this crap. Both of these bikes are designed and intended to strip to the frame if needed with not much more than the included tool kit. I've never worked on anything less user-friendly than Kawasaki motorcycles. And I've built everything from backyard gokarts to 3,000hp drag cars and everything inbetween including time as a Lexus Master technician and ALMS car chief. Even the GS is easier to perform regular maintenance on.

Its a free country, but saying you have FAR LESS money in your heavily modded tractor is a flat out lie.

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You have obviously never worked on Suzuki motorcycles or aircraft.

I love working on euro bikes, you can tell they were engineered to make the job easy and painless.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:03 AM   #143
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Yup.




Re: Suzuki, Pulling the shock on my wifes DR200 does suck by comparison to just about any other bike.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:04 AM   #144
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I will tell ya what..... I paid $1500 for my KLR. I spent a fair bit of money building it up. I think I am now totally into it about $6K with motor, suspension, and fairing, total. I can strip it to nuts and bolts on the side of the trail if I need to. I am still into it less than a comparable KTM would cost me. I ride almost every day, when it is not snowing, I ride the dirt and gravel roads of Montana extensively, and I ride single track now with my buddies on KTM 450 trail bikes. I am not nearly as fast, but every time they wait at the top of something help me, and plow right through while they collect their jaws off the ground.

No, my bike isn't a KTM, but it was cheaper to build, is simple to work on, and has NEVER failed me, even when I have screwed up mechanically. Comparing it to a KTM is silly. With a 705 kit, headwork, and some other tweaks, it is one helluva bike. And my butt dyno confirms it has more than enough oomph to get me in trouble.
Well said. If I wanted a KTM, I'd bloody well have me one, mate. I neither want or need enough hp to chuck rocks at the guy 200 yards behind me. I ride on trails that are used by a variety of people, including horseback riders and hikers. Neither of these groups particularly appreciate a rider blazing by them at Warp 9, nor do they appreciate the rototiller effect on the trails from the "roostifarians."

It doesn't matter if you have the best performing bike on the planet if they close the trails down and you have nowhere to ride.
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And I said was I was into less. Never FAR LESS...wow, people are awesome.
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Wow, yay for you. I looked. I work on all kinds of vehicles too. I said comparing them was foolish. I only compared costs of what I built compared to what I could find. I never said anything else about your precious KTM. In fact, I like them a lot. Just not in my budget.

I am not here to argue. Have a nice day.

It must be hard going through life being so angry all the time.


You should visit CSM. You think this is twisted up?

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:10 AM   #146
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Pulling the shock on my wifes DR200 does suck.

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I didn't know BMW made a DR 200.
I'm confused.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:20 AM   #147
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PS: If you are trying to get a rise out of me, you are going to have a do a shitload better than that, Scooter. I'm not new to ADV, and I'm certainly not new to the internet. Don't waste your time.
"Scooter!?" How dare you!!!

I set out to prove you're a troll, and I did just that to anyone with eyebrows. You are walking talking demonstration for why some people don't attend ADVRider events heavy in BMW and KTM sentiment...and it's not because they like old technology bikes, it's because you're a legitimate asshole with your nose turned up too high to smell your own taint and you definitely have a lot of friends on this forum in that sense (which is only saying that there's a lot of people like you out there and here on ADVRider, no doubt). The vast majority of ADVRiders are on Japanese bikes, period. I don't disagree with your premise that Euro bikes are generally more advanced...I don't think anyone would ever seriously argue against that yet you pretend as if that's a tragedy that plagues this website daily.

I know two ex-KTM owners...no explaination needed there, right!?
We all know somebody. And that means about jack-shit.

And you have almost 8000 posts on this website? Based on the "content" you filled this thread with, I imagine that wasn't difficult at all to achieve. Try that same number with respectable and realistic content that isn't rallying against ill-conceived fantasies about poor persecuted KTM owners.

While you may be half-right about Euro bikes improving their reliability, for the vast majority of owners the Euro bikes don't touch the hands-off maintenance and long-term reliability of Jap old school design. Sure you're right about why we all started on Jap bikes, but there are real and legitimate reasons many of us are staying Japanese. How many threads have we seen on this website about "bought my first KTM, never again"? TONS considering how few KTMs are out in the market place. And what do most of those ex-owners say? "Bike wasn't build user-friendly at all". The main exception I see is the KTM 300 2-strokes which get consistently good reviews. Everything else Euro receives generally mixed reviews at best on this site especially when it comes to reliability, there's just no denying that. How many Euro bike owners have posted threads like "is my KTM good for a TAT/RTW trip?" followed by mixed responses at best. Jap bike owners don't waste the space because we already know the answer to that same question about our bikes because people have been riding Jap bikes RTW for decades already.

It's obvious you have very little idea of your own subjectivity...you keep saying Euro bikes "absolutely dominate the dual sport market." At least in the USA, this simply is not true no matter how much you tout their performance. The characteristics of product offerings and how the market responds to those characteristics are two completely different things. Can you wrap your head around that? The KLR is still the best selling dual sport out there...and it's not Euro. The Euro bikes and KTM definitely do NOT dominate the dual sport market based on the existence of the KLR alone not to mention all the other well-established and going-nowhere Japenese dual sports. Stateside, I'd being willing to bet the DRZ400 and KLR650 combined annual sales (remember: market) of any year exceed the sales of all Euro dual sports in the USA of that same year. Hell even just the DRZ or KLR sales alone might trump all Euro dual sport sales. The picture is probably the same outside of the US with the Euro dual sports making up a little ground in their own backyard. The international lifetime sales of KLRs or DRZs alone might also exceed the international lifetime sales of Euro dual sports...I don't think that'd surprise anyone but you. Do sales numbers have any direct correlation to performances of certains bikes if any? NOPE! I think it's hilarious how your KTM-love has made you confuse two completely different things.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:21 AM   #148
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When I was a kid Volkswagen had a license plate frame that said, "You have just been Volkswagenized, passed by 36HP". My feeling here is that the KLR 650 might have just a little too much HP at 37. It's like a lot of things, it's not what you got, it's how you use it.

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:24 AM   #149
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I will give you this, the KLR does have a poor power to weight ratio. It could use an upgrade, the design is 25 years old. That being said, I have neither the time or money to travel half way across the country for a good deal on a bike. The military does not afford me that luxury. My bike was built a bit at time, as I had the funding to do it. I cannot justify a garage full of bikes no matter how much I would like to. I also have an older Goldwing that is over 100K miles that was passed down from my father. I ride it as much as I can too, but the KLR is my workhorse.

Again, not comparing it to anything, as I the only experience I have is looking and not being able to afford other bikes. I know the bike has evolved with me as my riding skills have improved, and it still has not let me down. And yes, it is a heavily modded tractor, it pulls like one too. I have never put it on a dyno nor do I have the time or money to do so. The 705cc kit was just done for the fact that I wanted too. The motor had zero issues when I did it, just seemed like a fun idea.

I also have no illusions that my bike is meant for jumping 30 feet in the air, or that I could be competitive racing it in the sand. It does not mean I am not going to ride in sand, or be afraid to take it anywhere. I know comparing mine to a stock KLR is not really even fair either, because it is far from it. A great thing about them is the after market is huge, and parts are cheap. That is getting away from the engine talk though. Like I said, not comparing, but after almost a year of hunting, the KLR was the best option for my budget to be able to ride and build it with having a large upfront cost.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:30 AM   #150
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I've never worked on anything less user-friendly than Kawasaki motorcycles.
What do we see about European bikes over and over on this website..."Who the $%&# designed this thing?" practically a dozen times a day for years on end!

BMW, "Bikes Made Weird", "let's mount that footpeg on the engine case"...Husqvarna, "let's put the chain on the right side", KTM, "how do we make an oil change three times as difficult as normal?". I'm not saying the designs are necessary flawed in their functionality, but saying Japanese bikes are not user-friendly and Euro bikes are user-friendly is basically the opposite of the vast majority of opinions we see here on ADVRider.
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