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Old 12-08-2012, 04:49 AM   #11281
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You can see Schizzman and Jimmex at about the one minute mark into the video.

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Old 12-08-2012, 05:57 AM   #11282
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You can see Schizzman and Jimmex at about the one minute mark into the video.

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Old 12-08-2012, 06:29 AM   #11283
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Trice, interesting video. There is a lesson right around the 1:38 to about 1:45 mark that I think is worth noting for anyone who might have missed it. You had to back off because of the reddish/brown pickup truck, and within a short distance the truck then moves left to avoid a patch of earth on the roadway, and coming at you is another vehicle. If someone had been in a hurry to stick to the first rider for whatever reason and tried to get by the pickup, they would have likely been squeezed.
Luckily, right at that stretch, the oncoming vehicle had some shoulder on their right and could have moved over, but a rider forcing the squeeze play would be leaving a dinner plate sized hickey on their bike seat.
The reason I mention this is that, more often than not, in the sierra people drive at a their pace and they know the roads and have driven them for a long period of time in different vehicles. These are the locals in cars and trucks and buses. They will swerve to avoid you but likely will try to brake first which can complicate things as they might not reach the little runoff area on the shoulder they might have. This is where things get complicated real fast and they will take you out rather than doing any kind of a dangerous swerve that would put them over the edge. They know what will happen. They are protected for the most part but you are looking at a head on collision or getting clipped on the front or side of your bike and you will be on the losing end. I know this because I have gotten lucky before and don't want to roll the dice, again. I just thought I would share it because when I was watching the video, I was watching it as if I was riding that particular bike and trying to pick up what was happening on the sides and as far ahead as possible.
Expect the unexpected at all times from locals, they will swerve for potholes etc... and do so at the worst time and right into your lane. If you are riding on your personal edge, and need to make a correction mid-corner, it is not always going to work out according to your Plan A it will only work out according to what the oncoming vehicle is doing. Mid-corner corrections on mountain roads with an irregular surface, or a little sand or gravel or donkey/goat/cow/sheep shit on them, are difficult at the best of times, it gets worse when you are over the "pace" and outside your limits.
Trice's risk management applies here just like in any other situation.
Thanks for the ride, Trice!
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:06 AM   #11284
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This is my calculation: About 98% of people driving are not paying attention to anything other than staying on the road - tunnel vision - and therefore can kill you. Another 1% isn't paying attention at all and can kill you. The last 1% is actively paying attention and is trying to kill you. Dispute the numbers if you like, adjust them for different locales but this is the math I use. The other calculation is the number of risk factors. Like traffic, road surface, speed, weather, fatigue, and the deep shadow versus bright sun in the road cuts, night riding, etc. Risks are not additive, they are multiplied. I can manage a few at a time but more than that , it is time to take a break. Bad roads; bad vehicles and bad drivers kill more people in Mexico every year than narco violence. Get there safe.

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Old 12-08-2012, 09:22 AM   #11285
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This is my calculation: About 98% of people driving are not paying attention to anything other than staying on the road - tunnel vision - and therefore can kill you. Another 1% isn't paying attention at all and can kill you.
Heck, Mexico is much safer than Maine then. Around here it's the other way around . . . only 1% of people driving are not paying attention to anything other than staying on the road . . . most are texting their friends.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:38 AM   #11286
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This is my calculation: About 98% of people driving are not paying attention to anything other than staying on the road - tunnel vision - and therefore can kill you. Another 1% isn't paying attention at all and can kill you. The last 1% is actively paying attention and is trying to kill you. Dispute the numbers if you like, adjust them for different locales but this is the math I use. The other calculation is the number of risk factors. Like traffic, road surface, speed, weather, fatigue, and the deep shadow versus bright sun in the road cuts, night riding, etc. Risks are not additive, they are multiplied. I can manage a few at a time but more than that , it is time to take a break. Bad roads; bad vehicles and bad drivers kill more people in Mexico every year than narco violence. Get there safe.

Saludos!
That sums it up about right, I think. When people shake their head at me for riding Mexico I tell them that the real dangers are traffic and road conditions. Unless you're in that certain business or are terminally stupid. For most CNN has already told them what to think of Mexico and who am I anyway?

Road signs are a great way to pick up a little Spanish lingo. "Grava Suelta" means "loose gravel".
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:17 AM   #11287
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Love the video., and you guys for how you lean the bikes ., not that i can't do it better but because I cant see my self

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That sums it up about right, I think. When people shake their head at me for riding Mexico I tell them that the real dangers are traffic and road conditions. Unless you're in that certain business or are terminally stupid. For most CNN has already told them what to think of Mexico and who am I anyway?

Road signs are a great way to pick up a little Spanish lingo. "Grava Suelta" means "loose gravel".
Schizz ., You should sue OXXO for stealing your avatar
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:37 AM   #11288
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For most CNN has already told them what to think of Mexico and who am I anyway?
Reminds me of Groucho - "who are you going to believe, me of your own 2 eyes?"

My favorite sign is "Camino sin oso" - Road without a bear.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:10 AM   #11289
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My favorite sign is "Camino sin oso" - Road without a bear.

Or even worse, there is the infamous camino sin bar - road without a bar.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:11 PM   #11290
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I had moved the GoPro to the back of the bike just before Bob's biff.

What you don't see is his almost perfect flip.

We discussed for quite a long time the physics of how his speed/tragectory/road surface etc. could have made that happen.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:23 PM   #11291
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Indeed, in the clip above, one of the four kids (the one on the far right) is holding one of the playground balls I take to Mexico and hand out at various times.

That tradition will never end
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:27 PM   #11292
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It was your moving the camera that caused that accident.
You upset the natural order of the universe.
Like Steve Wright once said, "I found a light switch in my apartment that didn't seem to do anything when I turned it on and off, a lady from Germany called and told me to stop doing that".
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:43 PM   #11293
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:51 PM   #11294
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:01 PM   #11295
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Love the video., and you guys for how you lean the bikes ., not that i can't do it better but because I cant see my self
We're all afraid to lean over as far as you do, Amigo. Even with MedJet Assist.
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They didn't steal it. They licensed it. Ever see me actually pay for anything at an Oxxo?
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