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Old 12-10-2012, 05:00 AM   #3706
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I responded to a direct, new question. "Pressed on," and continuing.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:29 AM   #3707
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:03 AM   #3708
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I responded to a direct, new question. "Pressed on," and continuing.
Yet before doing so you still managed to talk down to the "ignorant, close minded, arrogant" folks here.

We'll done pressing onward and upward.

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Old 12-10-2012, 08:19 AM   #3709
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Yet before doing so you still managed to talk down to the "ignorant, close minded, arrogant" folks here.

We'll done pressing onward and upward.

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To those that responded as such, you are correct. However, it was "insecure," not, "ignorant," in my earlier entry. In that, you were incorrect.

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Old 12-10-2012, 08:45 AM   #3710
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:31 AM   #3711
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...The people that visit this forum are wanting to hear from the folks that have ridden and/or own the bikes.
This may add to the conversation:

http://www.cycleworld.com/videos/hon..._challenge__4/
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:42 AM   #3712
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:04 AM   #3713
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I currently have a 2012 NC700X and a 2011 HD Road King. I bought the Honda to take camping, hiking and fishing. The bike is very easy to ride. This will help on unpaved conditions and uneven large loads (camping equipment). The bike feels very light and manuverable at low speeds. Again this is beneficial on twisty and unpaved roads. The bike's fit and finish is top and I expect relability. My mileage has been right at 68-70 mpg. With a back-up canister of fuel, I should be set for any fuel emergency. The bike is peppy but not road fast. This is what I expect and budgeted. The bike needs a bigger windshield (many currently on the market) and a more comfortable seat (I understand more after markets are responding). This bike does not do everything but is a good fit for me for camping, hiking and fishing.

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Old 12-10-2012, 10:21 AM   #3714
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In planning for some panniers, and looking at options from Givi, and the E21 panniers are seemingly a nice option for smaller size.

Anyone have this model and are they made as well as the rest of the Givi cases?

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Yes! I have these on my hornet and they are GREAT. They are as low profile as i could get for my relatively svelt bike and are on the SWMotech rack, not the Givi, which I got because I first had a top case (v460) only and you could not add on side cases afterwards with the Givi rack without buying a whole new rack. The only "issue" I've had is that the clip in from rack to bag is so tight that I cannot get them off the rack without fear of breaking the Givi bits (which I was told by a Givi rep are replaceable if that were to happen). But I have no need to ride the bike with just the rack, so on the very rare occasion I need to take the bags off (usually to get to something else on the bike) I just take off the bags with the rack still attached, as they are quick release anyway. Super fast and easy.

Oh, and, because the fit is so close with the SWM rack, it bulges the plastic edge on the lower part of the bag so you do sorta have to push the top part of case out a bit when closing it to get around the outer lip of the lower part of the case (again, tightness of rack to case with the SWM. Apparently the Givi rack is a flawless fit). I do not find it much of an issue and the bags have been solid for me and don't come off they are so functional. I can cram an amazing amount of stuff in them and think I could no longer contemplate having a bike without a full set up of some kind.


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Old 12-10-2012, 10:30 AM   #3715
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Made in Japan is not what it used to be. It's a global economy. Parts from all around the world are used in the production of goods. Active on the Sony camera forums, I read a lot of stories about QA issues with the RX100 camera when it came out (made in Japan). After a while those issues disappeared as the camera manufacturing was switched to China. So those pounding their chest with the "Superior Made in Japan" models were the QA guinea pigs. Once everything was sorted out, production started in China to Sony specifications. The China models appears to be better built. I rarely see Apple computer purchasers complain aout Malaysia, Taiwan, China products.
I care not where the NC is assembled, I'll take one.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:33 AM   #3716
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Now lighten it up, give it good suspension and brakes, and I'm (maybe) in. Economy doesn't have to be cheap. They're almost there...

If you truly want good brakes and suspension the NC may be perfect for you. Dave Searle of Motorcycle Consumer News had this to say about the NC700X (some of his quotes)

"Its low-tech brakes are awesome, too, with great feel for traction, and the low chassis and long wheelbase tempt you to make super short stops just for fun, because they're so easy."
"But I'd say handling is its best feature. It's nimble, flicks side-to-side rapidly, and has tenacious grip at both ends that makes curves - of any speed - a real treat. Great suspension really helps handling, of course, and the NC's is just perfect.


...and from the other tester at MCN, Scott Rousseau;

"...Its brakes and suspension also perform so well that they don't even hint at the NC's bargain approach."
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:54 AM   #3717
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Yes! I have these on my hornet and they are GREAT. They are as low profile as i could get for my relatively svelt bike and are on the SWMotech rack, not the Givi, which I got because I first had a top case (v460) only and you could not add on side cases afterwards with the Givi rack without buying a whole new rack. The only "issue" I've had is that the clip in from rack to bag is so tight that I cannot get them off the rack without fear of breaking the Givi bits (which I was told by a Givi rep are replaceable if that were to happen). But I have no need to ride the bike with just the rack, so on the very rare occasion I need to take the bags off (usually to get to something else on the bike) I just take off the bags with the rack still attached, as they are quick release anyway. Super fast and easy.

Oh, and, because the fit is so close with the SWM rack, it bulges the plastic edge on the lower part of the bag so you do sorta have to push the top part of case out a bit when closing it to get around the outer lip of the lower part of the case (again, tightness of rack to case with the SWM. Apparently the Givi rack is a flawless fit). I do not find it much of an issue and the bags have been solid for me and don't come off they are so functional. I can cram an amazing amount of stuff in them and think I could no longer contemplate having a bike without a full set up of some kind.


Blah, blah, blah, Tapatalk.
Thanks,
Reviews at vender sites of course are good. Nice to hear your thoughts. I don't camp cook anymore and can get by with a lot less gear. These panniers are very reasonable, and was a bit concerned with the quality. I like the top loading and the looks of them so will probable go with these and save a couple hundred to use elsewhere on my retired budget.

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Old 12-10-2012, 11:02 AM   #3718
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I think you will enjoy. They are solid little units. And economical, as you note (a plus for me too). They also provide ample reflective sticker real estate, for those that desire it. And, unlike a clam shell style, you don't have to worry nearly as much about things hanging out the edges of the case when you're trying to close it. They fit a deceptive amount of stuff into them.


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Old 12-10-2012, 11:03 AM   #3719
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If you truly want good brakes and suspension the NC may be perfect for you. Dave Searle of Motorcycle Consumer News had this to say about the NC700X (some of his quotes)

"Its low-tech brakes are awesome, too, with great feel for traction, and the low chassis and long wheelbase tempt you to make super short stops just for fun, because they're so easy."
"But I'd say handling is its best feature. It's nimble, flicks side-to-side rapidly, and has tenacious grip at both ends that makes curves - of any speed - a real treat. Great suspension really helps handling, of course, and the NC's is just perfect.


...and from the other tester at MCN, Scott Rousseau;

"...Its brakes and suspension also perform so well that they don't even hint at the NC's bargain approach."
I don't think they rode it very long. I am a very satisfied NCX owner, but I bought it with the foreknowledge that I would have to make some changes to it for it to fit my needs. I improved both the brakes (which were good to begin with) and the suspension (which, to me, was not). The high speed compression damping of the front fork is pretty miserable. It is very much a budget suspension. However, all of this is easily improved by those who want to do so without making everyone else pay for a level of performance that is more than they require. I think our troll may wait forever for that perfect bike to come along when he could buy one that meets his basic needs and improve it on his own where it falls short. I personally find the whole process of tailoring the bike to my needs to be quite rewarding. I don't expect any bike to show up perfect for me, because it would only fit a market segment of one and it would be out of production the following year.

As far as where the bike is manufactured, good products can be made in low labor cost areas if the technology transfer process is rigorously executed. It may well be that the product quality is initially lower in the high tech start-up country and that the ongoing quality is better once the process improvement and validation are completed. It is still best to do the process development where the technical expertise is resident and then export the validated process if necessary for economics.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:54 AM   #3720
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If you truly want good brakes and suspension the NC may be perfect for you. Dave Searle of Motorcycle Consumer News had this to say about the NC700X (some of his quotes)

"Its low-tech brakes are awesome, too, with great feel for traction, and the low chassis and long wheelbase tempt you to make super short stops just for fun, because they're so easy."
"But I'd say handling is its best feature. It's nimble, flicks side-to-side rapidly, and has tenacious grip at both ends that makes curves - of any speed - a real treat. Great suspension really helps handling, of course, and the NC's is just perfect.

...and from the other tester at MCN, Scott Rousseau;

"...Its brakes and suspension also perform so well that they don't even hint at the NC's bargain approach."
Yeh, I read that and I like Dave's stuff for the practical side of things. I was just a little concerned w/the sporting guys talking about the brakes and suspension. I tend to be picky in the same way. Again, not a knock, just a notice. Thanks for the heads-up.
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