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Old 12-09-2012, 10:41 AM   #6511
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you know mine mate,nothing wrong with it after thee years of gentle use

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Old 12-09-2012, 11:16 AM   #6512
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Yep, that made absolutely no difference at all.

Good news is the issue is predictable and repeatable. Now just to wonder why.

Ran 15 minute idle test - puuuurrrrfect. Cut it off, put on the helmet start and stall. When temps hit 3/4, choke and puke.

Here's what happens

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Old 12-09-2012, 03:21 PM   #6513
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well i had my first PITA on the 690 today,having a nice easy ride in mt mee,the 690 stalled with a loud "POP" and a PSHHHHHHH, the sound came from under the air box area,so i had a good look around only to find the rubber boot had came away (see pic) and also the airbox was pushed back towards the battery
bike is a 2012,with less than 2000ks with a akro slip on inc akro mapping.

1, so what would make this happen,
2, is there a fix for this,cos i dont want it to happen again (PITA)
3, has there been a recall for this
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This never happened to me on my bike until I replaced the intake roller rocker, and shimmed the intake valves on the tight end of the spectrum (Like, right at .07mm). After this, it happened several times. I only thought of the intake because of the recent work done, so I reshimmed the valves on the loose end of the spectrum, and vuala...

My thought on this is that at temperature, the valve clearance is so minimal, that at certain circumstances, the combustion of the engine happens while there is still a slight opening in the intake valves, and the energy follows the path of least resistance and blows off the throttle body. Just my theory...

But, it might be worth a shot to take a measurement of your intake valves. Mine hasn't happened once since my "fix."
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:21 PM   #6514
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I posted a separate thread, but it go no love so I thought I'd try in this one for some ideas.

OK guys, I've got a tough one and I'm looking for suggestions on what else to check or try.

Anybody got any ideas?
I had a similar issue a few moths ago, except mine showed a TPS error. Turned out to be a bad regulator/rectifier. Check the voltage at the battery and monitor while the bike is running. If you see a voltage spike above 14.4 volts it could be the RR. What happends is that the high voltage spike from the RR confuses the ECU via one of the sensors. In my case it affected the crank position sensor which artificially advanced the ignition timing causing the ECU to move the throttle body stepper motor resulting the the TPS sensor error..
My voltage spikes were above 15V but only for less than a second. Cycling the ignition ket seems to reset the issue until it occured again. I switched to a MOSFET RR and runs great now.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:15 PM   #6515
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I had a similar issue a few moths ago, except mine showed a TPS error. Turned out to be a bad regulator/rectifier. Check the voltage at the battery and monitor while the bike is running. If you see a voltage spike above 14.4 volts it could be the RR. What happends is that the high voltage spike from the RR confuses the ECU via one of the sensors. In my case it affected the crank position sensor which artificially advanced the ignition timing causing the ECU to move the throttle body stepper motor resulting the the TPS sensor error..
My voltage spikes were above 15V but only for less than a second. Cycling the ignition ket seems to reset the issue until it occured again. I switched to a MOSFET RR and runs great now.
Thanks for the reply! I think I found the issue. It appears to be a bad connection inside the wiring harness ECU connector. I can make the problem go away and re-occur by futzing with the wire right at the connector. Anybody knows who manufactures these plugs for KTM?
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:24 PM   #6516
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I realize they have their issues.. but really, what bike doesn't?
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:05 PM   #6517
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Ha. Yeah. I bought a V-Strom 1000, and it has a ridiculous lean surge (EPA mandated, have to add a PowerCommander to make it run right), and an un-believable clutch chudder at low-to-mid RPM. Makes me wish I'd bought a Wee.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:31 PM   #6518
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You might be right. On the other hand, there are quite a few people here who LOVE their 690. I realize they have their issues.. but really, what bike doesn't?

It might be wrong, but like others I take comments like this personally.
"Excellent attempt KTM, but you shit the bed on waaaaaay too many issues to attempt to fix"
It does not add to the conversation because it is broad statement/opinion of a problem with the only solution getting a different bike. For many in the US, 660 tenere, African twin, ect are not an option so we make due. When KTM stopped the 640adv, this became the next best thing. (better in my opinion)

This thread helped me quite a lot when prepping my RTW bike. I would hope that others can pull the GOOD information out and not be turned off to the 690 by the negative comments like yours. So if you want help with your specific 690 issues .. just ask

If not, I hope you have fun with your African Twin. You will never see me post in the AT forum my opinion about if its any good or not. Cheers. ride safe.
You're mostly right, however I didn't come her to "slag" the bike, I loved my 690 when I got it in 2009.

My opinion is given after 4 years of ownership. feel free to cut down any bike you've owned, I wont say anything about your opinion, provided you do it in the correct forum.

I sincerely hope your bike holds up, but after 6 years in production and a lot of the core issues with this bike have not been fixed by the factory, I call that shitting the bed for sure.

It can be a sweet bike, I was just voicing my frustration of another part fixed to have something else die.

I wish I could say with proper maintenance that there are no issues, but I change my oil religiously and my valves had just been checked when I went on a 5400km trip this summer to have the top end blow and leave me stranded on the side of the highway.

Who knows, maybe I got a Monday morning special.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:43 AM   #6519
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look forward to it mate

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Old 12-10-2012, 01:18 AM   #6520
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Thanks for the reply! I think I found the issue. It appears to be a bad connection inside the wiring harness ECU connector. I can make the problem go away and re-occur by futzing with the wire right at the connector. Anybody knows who manufactures these plugs for KTM?
Let me send some emails. I think i'll have an answer for you this afternoon.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:13 AM   #6521
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Let me send some emails. I think i'll have an answer for you this afternoon.
Awesome! Thanks!
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:44 AM   #6522
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Ha. Yeah. I bought a V-Strom 1000, and it has a ridiculous lean surge (EPA mandated, have to add a PowerCommander to make it run right), and an un-believable clutch chudder at low-to-mid RPM. Makes me wish I'd bought a Wee.
Same here. Had an '03 1000, and aside from the chudder, idle hammer, and lean surge it was a good ride. PC fixed the surge. SV1000 clutch fixed the chudder, and I just leared to live with the idle hammer. Oh, yeah... SV calipers, and master cylinder got the brakes working right.... Now I have a 2012 DL650A, and LOVE it!! Not as 2nd gear wheelie happy as the Vee, but I'm showing high 50's for mpg's so far. EVERY bike has something that needs fixing... The 690 has maybe more than most, but it's by far one of the best all around bikes I've owned.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:37 AM   #6523
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HI ALL
well i had my first PITA on the 690 today,having a nice easy ride in mt mee,the 690 stalled with a loud "POP" and a PSHHHHHHH, the sound came from under the air box area,so i had a good look around only to find the rubber boot had came away (see pic) and also the airbox was pushed back towards the battery
bike is a 2012,with less than 2000ks with a akro slip on inc akro mapping.

1, so what would make this happen,
2, is there a fix for this,cos i dont want it to happen again (PITA)
3, has there been a recall for this

Mine did it too. 2012. I think it was because I was being impatient, and blipping the throttle to quickly while starting. I have been sure to keep my hand off the throttle when starting since, and have not had a repaeat...
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:41 AM   #6524
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Hi all. I want to use the Kriega Fork Seal Savers on my 2010 690 R but the plastic protector rings on the outer part of the fork leg have to come off. Has anyone done this and know how they come off? Just wanted to tap any expertise on the subject before I go and bung things up . Thanks very much.
I shaved some of the neoprene from the seal saver where it lined up with the ring on the forks. seemed to work pretty well.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:29 AM   #6525
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Yep, that made absolutely no difference at all.

Good news is the issue is predictable and repeatable. Now just to wonder why.

Ran 15 minute idle test - puuuurrrrfect. Cut it off, put on the helmet start and stall. When temps hit 3/4, choke and puke.

Here's what happens

With all the talk about it, do you think the reg/rect is overheating? I haven't looked at it but if it's a part that's easily swapped you can borrow mine to see if it fixes the problem.
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