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Old 12-18-2012, 03:09 AM   #1651
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We rote up into the backwoods of the Altai. The first 50 km, to Ulagan, was sometimes asphalted. But in line with our recent fate when it came to weather, as soon as we got off the asphalt, rain started falling. We continued along on a gravel road through pretty countryside (and light rain) until we hit this stunning valley:



It looked amazing, but I really struggled to bring it out well in the photos. The fog and cloud in the air was dulling the scenery and the contrast. I just played around with it to do the best I could.


The river in the valley below is called the Chulyshman.

We waited for half an hour in a tiny Altai roadside octagonal shelter for the rain to ease up, then headed down to the valley floor.
Rain...rain and more rain......You sure you didnae just go to Scotland ?? I told you it looked familiar! I f you just add inedible fried food and throw in a man reeling around clutching a spirits bottle and arguing with himself I'll know it's all been a con!
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:14 AM   #1652
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The bit I missed

Walter, P & B...you're still killing me.

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Old 12-18-2012, 03:25 AM   #1653
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Walter, P & B...you're still killing me.
Oh theres a lot more to come ...
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:26 AM   #1654
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:33 AM   #1655
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:34 AM   #1656
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I agree, but less than adequate pressure will not stop the bike from running. It will just make it run badly (and potentially destroy the motor in the long run).

It seems that Rod's pump was completely shutting down when it got hot. Somebody who has the full system documentation on this bike (possibly a factory KTM tech) can look up and see if the ECU will cut signal for the pump if certain situations exist.

There is also the possibility that the heat in the pump was causing cavitation issues. We may never know, or we may not learn this time. I am simply curious like that.
Blessed as I am now with hindsignt, the pump deterioration was gradual.
Initially it seemed to be allied to ambient .ie air temperature, and we were thrown off the pump scent when one might just have fueled up with cold fuel but it would still die in hot air. It seemed to point to a progressive electrical issue maybe allied to the lack of airflow over parts previously exposed but now shrouded under the Safari tank . When we got to Kolyvan- Hassan's place and no warmer than say 65-70 degrees, that's 18-20C in new money and we still had the problem, we were more sure that it was pump related but even Viktor's many stabs at resolution only came down to the pump after a number of other suspicions were disproved.
Somone mentioned one might run extended workshop tests to determine fuel supply. I hadn't a workshop in my panniers alas, and in an appalling failure of planning neither had any of the other guys, ... can't get the help y'know.
The nearest KTM workshop of any competence is maybe 1500 miles away and might (?) even be in Moscow-4000 miles . We all just did our best with a very slippery symptom.

Regardless I will now buy a spare pump and suggest any owners of earlier 690s do likewise.
The 690 is a brilliant bike let down by some key items whose installation might be traced directly to to the Accounts Department rather than the Development team.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:49 AM   #1657
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The 690 is a brilliant bike let down by some key items whose installation might be traced directly to to the Accounts Department rather than the Development team.
I'm really pleased that you still feel that way about your 690 after all it put you through Rod. As we discussed I lost patience with mine under far less provocation than you (and got rid of it) but I still concede that when it was running right it was the most entertaining bike I've ever owned. You're almost persuading me to have another punt on one and Adventurise it as you've done. Yours is certainly the best looking adventure bike I've seen (and I already know how strong and smooth that engine is). Ho hum.....
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:05 AM   #1658
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hi, ROD
690 have a few known main failure which already described by owners in Inet:

1) fuel pump (which you alredy known ;] ). Its very often bug of 690 and strange that you don't know it before
2) weak subframe\tank screw-bolts in stock
3) damage of radiator by fun body in stock
4) inbound valve rocker
5) fault dashboard on E modification up to 2011 m.y. (on R - all OK)
6) VERY hot exhaust in stock (as I see - you already have Akropovich)

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7) sometimes faulty fastplug in line between fuel tank and injector
8) small fuel filter in stock - which could cause to death fuel pump much earlier with bad fuel.

I hope, this short list will help you to avoid problem's in future with your 690 :]

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excuse me for my bad english

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Old 12-18-2012, 05:54 AM   #1659
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WOW! That valley , and , the lands about it are so awesome. Just amazed looking at it on my computer screen and have no idea of the thrill of seeing it in person. Kinda like Utah and places of interest here in the US. Pictures only give you a hint of the whole picture.
Rod, I'm shocked that you don't have a full compliment of spare parts, tools and test equipment. What were you thinking guy. If I worried about all the potential problems with my poor old KLR , I'd never get out of the garage with it much less roaming all over alone and on back roads.
Thanks to all of ya'll for this report. Mind blowing for sure.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:55 AM   #1660
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hi, ROD
690 have a few known main failure which already described by owners in Inet:

1) fuel pump (which you alredy known ;] ). Its very often bug of 690 and strange that you don't know it before
2) weak subframe\tank screw-bolts in stock
3) damage of radiator by fun body in stock
4) inbound valve rocker
5) fault dashboard on E modification up to 2011 m.y. (on R - all OK)
6) VERY hot exhaust in stock (as I see - you already have Akropovich)

optional
7) sometimes faulty fastplug in line between fuel tank and injector
8) small fuel filter in stock - which could cause to death fuel pump much earlier with bad fuel.

I hope, this short list will help you to avoid problem's in future with your 690 :]

PS
excuse me for my bad english
SEDD.
As you'll see later in the story my total lack of any Russian apart from a few key words (Piva being one) got me into a couple of fixes, then scalp-crawlingly embarrassing but now very funny-I'll be relating the tale at the right time, so please don't apologise for your English. It's great.

I knew about all the above and addressed them apart from the inbound ( Inlet?) valve rocker and my dash seems to be OK. Regarding the dodgy fuel pump I can only plead stupidity. I'd not had the bike for long and hadn't ridden it apart from a couple of hundred miles from London to Amsterdam where it was trucked from, and it ran faultlessly all the way.

Jurassic, you'll see across the next weeks the bike lived up to my original expectations and more. I had a ball on it . The suspension needs an upgrade but after that's done I'd set of on any trip with confidence.
I've ordered a spare fuel pump (can't have too many y'know) from Cycleparts-so thanks to whoever pointed that out to me, and as if I haven't been insulted enough, they're about a third of the price of a factory item in the UK
I have a GS 1200 and frankly I never ride it now-the 690 pretty much does it all. It just took some getting there and in the process gave me experiences I'd never have had and made me friends I'd never have met. How can I feel bad about it?...more than that I still get a kick every time I look at it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:13 AM   #1661
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I travelled over 8,000 miles in north America this year with one of our group on an 800 GS. The fuel pump on that bike seemed vulnerable to the ethanol blend fuels. In 2009 it had done a rtw and had pump problems. A new pump was fitted back in the UK which was trouble free until it got a diet of higher ethanol fuel this year when the new pump also gave trouble. Jammed completely at one point and then would loose output pressure later in the trip when it was warm. The jam was solved by removing it from the bike and bashing it on the concrete pavement It was too scared to give trouble for several days after that.

It wasn't as troublesome as Rod's bike though.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:40 AM   #1662
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I have a GS 1200 and frankly I never ride it now-the 690 pretty much does it all.
I came to my 690 from a VFR VTEC and was worried about riding distances on a big single but I couldn't believe how smooth it was once it was run in. I found it more comfortable than the VFR in every respect except the seat (but even that wasn't too bad, plus once I'd put risers on it I just rode standing up when my arse went to sleep). I grant you I was riding at 70-80mph not 120-130 that was the VFRs natural pace but that was one of the reasons I swopped to the KTM (I knew I'd either end up dead or banned if I kept the VFR). Damn all this talk is making me want another bike!
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:44 AM   #1663
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I've ordered a spare fuel pump (can't have too many y'know) from Cycleparts-so thanks to whoever
this pump (fom Cycleparts) died after 2000km on my 690, so it's sucks too :[
I've installed fuel pump from auto(car). Looks little rude, but monumental and who care, as it inside the fuel tank

btw, nice jorney- still waiting for continue :]

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Old 12-18-2012, 06:54 AM   #1664
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this pump (fom Cycleparts) died after 2000km on my 690, so it's sucks too :[
I've installed fuel pump from auto(car). Looks little rude, but monumental and who care, as it inside the fuel tank

btw, nice jorney- still waiting for continue :]
Which one?

I know Mukaltin, Pate, Gelos and the guys put Lada fuel filters on their 690s ... which auto fuel pump did you use?
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:25 AM   #1665
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First off, thank you guys and badass for this report. Every morning I rush to see the next stunning installment...just amazing.!!!

Rod I'm sorry to hear about you sweet sister and your beautiful dog. Although upsetting, I think its nice you had a final moment with her. It is a fear everytime I leave on a trip with my 18 year old and 14 year old dogs at home, hoping they'll make it another year.

Wondering if the stock fuel pump can be rebuilt? I guess I could google that shit, but wondering if Victor ever mentioned that???
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