Is Mexico Safe?

[acejones]

If its got spark the CDI doesn't seem like a culprit.

[AndyT]

Anybody have experience with multiple entries to Mexico with the relatively new FMM tourist visa? With the old FMT, you could get 180 days, and come and go as you please, from the USA. At least that is what I did. The last time I went to Mexico, I struck up a conversation with a migracion worker, ans he said the new FMM is single entry, and you must return it when you leave the country, regardless if you are coming back before its' expiration. Also the TVIP is only good if you have a valid FMM, so the TVIP is automatically void when you turn in the FMM, whether you cancel it or not. My spanish isn't great, but this is what I got out of it.

I have done a little poking around on the web, and found a couple of articles that back this up, but they were from visa assistance companies, not the official word. Does anyone know where to get the "definitive" word?

Of course, Mexico doesn't really control it's borders, so you could exit and come back without cancelling either, and no one would be the wiser, but I like to do things by the book if there is no reason not to. It will get expensive to go to say Guatemala, if you have to cancel the Mexico stuff and buy new permits on the way back. Come to think of it, Guatemala aduana asked to see my cancelled MExico TVIP as part of the procedure for getting A Guatemalan TVIP.

My last trip, I paid Mexico MX$295 for my tourist card, and US$254 for my bike permit, of which US$202 was refunded on exit. At $52 for a TVIP and ~$23 for a tourist card it is getting expensive to go to Mexico, especially if you have to cancel and reapply every time you exit the country.

Kind of long winded, but I guess I am really asking if anyone has a contact to get the real story.

[MAXVERT]

Originally Posted by SR

Hi Max, great to see that you are on the road! Looks like we are probably going to miss you this time. Heading to Colorado tomorrow morning for the holidays.

I bet it is cold as a @*%&# in Creel right now! Northern Mexico has a good cold front coming through. No Problem, the cold makes it that much more fun to ride down into the tropics.

Too bad it would have been great to have some Rosti Pollo with you.

I ran into a big group of riders in Creel who you showed around Durango.
It sounds like the dirt route to Parrel you turned them on to was a good
ride.
I'd like to ride it next time I'm around these parts.

We're on our way to Chile and if things work out I'll be riding back in
April.

Have a fun timw with La Familia over the holidays.

Twist it Max

[SR]

Originally Posted by MAXVERT

Too bad it would have been great to have some Rosti Pollo with you.

I ran into a big group of riders in Creel who you showed around Durango.
It sounds like the dirt route to Parrel you turned them on to was a good
ride.
I'd like to ride it next time I'm around these parts.

We're on our way to Chile and if things work out I'll be riding back in
April.

Have a fun time with La Familia over the holidays.

Twist it Max

I had a nice dinner with those guys, good guys, but I don't recall sending them down any dirt roads?I sent them down the nice newly paved route through Santa Maria Del Oro.

Sounds like an awesome adventure that you are on to Chile. Felicidades! We will catch you an the way back.

Are you in DGO? Our departure got pushed back and now we are now leaving tomorrow. We got held back a day when we got into an accident and are dealing with the insurance company and the taxi driver who had no insurance and no license to operate a taxi. He will not have a Feliz Navidad. He was in jail for a day but got let out because a Public Minister determined that the value of his taxi could be held by the court to cover our damages if he didn't pay us. If he doesn't pay, his taxi will be sold at auction and we will get our insurance deductible reimbursed then. We have an insurance company Lawyer fighting for us (themselves) and we just signed a Power of Attorney to someone in the family, so that they could deal with and we can get out of town.

JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE VS. POS MADE IN INDIA TAXI

[MikeMike]

Who let the dog out?
Who?
Who?

[SR]

Originally Posted by mark883

Anyone help this guy?

Here's the thread link in garage....

http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...4#post20294044

I un-subscribed from that guys RR when avoided Durango city sighting "bad press". He probably has incorrect jetting?

[SR]

Originally Posted by MikeMike

Who let the dog out?
Who?
Who?

Dog? who what? Where!

[acejones]

That Hyundai was made in India ?

[SR]

Originally Posted by acejones

That Hyundai was made in India ?

Yes, 999 cc motor

[acejones]

Originally Posted by SR

Yes, 999 cc motor

Interesting. Thanks

[BobLoblaw]

Imagine this smothered in maple syrup

[Rhode trip]

Thanks, Miguelito, for the info.
Are you referring to the road between H. del Parral and Creel that looks to be Ch23?
Is there a RR or vid of that route? And is that the one in the news lately with the roadblock? Still waiting on the arrival of some better maps. I find Google maps tough for planning as there's little detail until you are zoomed in so far there is no sense of scale.

Originally Posted by miguelito

TVIP -What trice said. This crossing isn't too busy, so you should be through quickly. The last time I crossed there, the hardest part was finding the Banjercito which was in the town, not at the border. It can get cold and snow around Creel, so check the weather before you set out. If you head to Camargo, I think it's about 180 miles between gas stations, so fill up, and possibly bring a fuel container. You should easily make it that far in a day + border crossing. The ride there is pretty but also flat and straight, and with little traffic. It's not too far to H. de Parral from Camargo, where the riding is much more interesting. There has been some cartel violence in and around Parral, and particularly to the west of town where the riding gets to be more interesting, so heads-up if you ride that way. If you keep going south from Camargo, you're in for a lot more flat/straight roads for quite a ways.

[Sjoerd Bakker]

AndyT
The new style Tourist Card introduced a year or two ago is good for
Multiple entries and exits across the USA border . I did that this year ,
returnIng within its valid time , never had a problem even after canceling the TVIP
because I intended to come back to Mexico with a different vehicle.
If you exit Mexico to Guatemala and Belize the Mexican customs are unavoidable
and they will ask you to hand in the Tourist Card and get an exit ( Salida) stamp
in your passport . But if you intend to turn around and travel back through Mexico
to the USA before your TVIP expires you DO NOT NEED TO CANCEL THE TVIP.
before you enter Central America
This saves you and BANJERCITO the bother of refunding the Security Deposit plu s
you avoid the cost of buying a new TVIP for the return trip .
At the norther border with the USA you can simply pass through the inland
Aduana terminal and NOBODY WILL DEMAND that you hand in or cancel
ANYTHING . You are expected to know enough. Same at the actual border, you can
ride straight into the US Customs . Only the bridge toll booth will stop you.
You are free to keep your documents in effect until the day they expire.
But on or before that day you must visit the Mexcan customs office at ANY border
crossing to cancel the TVIP AND YOUR TOURIST CARD. You must bring the exact same
vehicle as is described on the TVIP .if you cannot present that same vehicle
you can not cancel the TVIP
If you are late you can kiss your refundable Securiy Deposit goodbye
Got that?

[tricepilot]

Originally Posted by BobLoblaw

Imagine this smothered in maple syrup

If you're familiar with who Mutt Lange is, this is additional proof that he's an idiot

[rockymountainoyster]

Originally Posted by BobLoblaw

Imagine this smothered in maple syrup

Gives me a woody just imagining it.