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Old 12-21-2012, 07:46 PM   #11746
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Jeebus, you guys are a jabbering bunch. I stay away from the thread and It's already multiple pages further down.

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So now the TVIP and Tourist permit are aligned at 180 days? What was the limit on the tuourist permit before this?

I'm a bit embarrassed that a bunch of pasty white white boys have traveled more and know more about the country of my birth than I do.

Oh, and menudo is awesome (if you grew up with it, otherwise it's probably inedbible)



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RE; the UNINTERRUPTED visit of Mexico
.................................................. ..................... precisely worded and nevertheless open to interpretation.
Her is how it works....
When you leave Mexico for an " interruption" back in the USA you DO NOT go to the trouble of getting yourself checked out of Mexico. That is so easy to do, you simply do not go in at the Migracion office to get a Salida stamp in your passport which would require that you also cancel your Tourist Card.
As I explained earlier , when you leave Mexico at the US border the Migracion and Banjercito workers do not come running out of their office to tackle the gringo heading north to take away his documents, nor do they take your temperature and check your diaper ( that is done by US customs when you enter the Homeland ...) . At the Mexican inland Aduana terminals they only check inbound tourist traffic documentation, You are free to cross back and forth between the Zona Fronteriza and the interior as often as you wish while retaining your documents..
When you cross the border to the USA in this manner you are technically still registered as being IN Mexico , legally until the last day of validity of your Tourist Card and TVIP.
When you return to continue your stay in Mexico you are all set up with the documentation. Nobody at the border will flinch if in the cursory random inspection you hold up your current and valid documents. .
Likewise when you get to the inland Migracion checkpoint your documents will be accepted without a problem. .
The only time when you will get yourself into trouble is if you do not cancel the documents before going to the USA and then fail to return at least to the Mexican border terminal with the very same bike BEFORE the expiry date of said documents. That means if you show up with expired documents and you ask that they be cancelled you are exceding the permitted stay period . You will possibly face a fine. You will definitely NOT get your Security Deposit back .
Comprendo ?
This is the detailed background and explains what Kobukan was correctly told . It was also explained in this way to me by the Mexican Migracion worker this past April as I was cancelling my Tourist Card document in order to cross into Belize at Subte Lpoez QRO where cancellation IS mandatory for the Tourist Card but NOT the TVIP.
This also shows that the TVIP is considered to be a multiple entry document , so why would the Tourist Card for the sqme person be any different ? Such variation is illogical. but is applied at te Central American border end of Mexico, not at the USA side.
If the Migracion workers at the USA side of Mexico are going to raise an issue about it the simple way to avoid that is to clam up about your
travels. No need to get chatty and explain that you have been bouncing back and forth between the two countries - just say you had an excelent 6 month stay in Mexico and you forgot where all you have been, so dazzled by the experience are you. .

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Old 12-21-2012, 07:49 PM   #11747
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The little Hyundai Atos is sold all over the world, including in the UK. They offer front air bags in some markets. If the damage did not affect the passenger compartment then all is good. I was once rear ended by a Geo Metro while driving a Subaru Outback. The Metro had similar damage to what is shown in the photos but no incursion into the driver's foot well. I had zero damage to my car. I think the reason thay have not brought the Atos to the US is they they don't want to steal sales from their more profitable small cars and because they would have to add a lot of US mandated stuff thus squeezing the profit margin. There are lots of them buzzing around in Hermosillo, a good city car. Not that great on the killer topes on the secondary roads so we don't see them here too often.

On another note, since the Metro was built by Suzuki, I read today that Suzuki will no longer sell cars in the US after this year.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:54 PM   #11748
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Jeebus, you guys are a jabbering bunch. I stay away from the thread and It's already multiple pages further down.

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So now the TVIP and Tourist permit are aligned at 180 days? What was the limit on the tuourist permit before this?

I'm a bit embarrassed that a bunch of pasty white white boys have traveled more and know more about the country of my birth than I do.

Oh, and menudo is awesome (if you grew up with it, otherwise it's probably inedbible)

We have a restaurant here in Pflugerville called El Rincon and they have menudo as good as any I've had in Mexico. Come on up for a bowl sometime.

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Old 12-21-2012, 07:54 PM   #11749
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Weazy,

You eat menudo on New year's day. That way nothing worse can happen to you all year.

Re: TVIPs, They are co-terminus with the visa. If you get a 7 day visa, you can only get a 7 permisso.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:07 PM   #11750
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El Rincon has been entered into the travel computer but it's still calculating an appropriate date.

I 'gotta agree with you SR, the smell is awful while it's cooking but the result is fantastic.

Hey, TurkeyCreek, if you don't like menudo you will surely like Pozole. mmmm... all the goodness of menudo without the squishy stomach meat.

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Old 12-21-2012, 08:36 PM   #11751
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................ When you cross the border to the USA in this manner you are technically still registered as being IN Mexico , legally until the last day of validity of your Tourist Card and TVIP........................

Thanks for the effort, but I knew the rest of that. What I am questioning is the acuracy of the sentence above.



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As far as I'm concerned this subject is finished here. Thanks again.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:40 PM   #11752
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Weazy,

Re: TVIPs, They are co-terminus with the visa. If you get a 7 day visa, you can only get a 7 permisso.
And it used to be that a 7 day TVIP was cheaper than a 180 day one, but now that is not the case. Again, what I was told by a Mexican border dude, is that now there is one price for TVIP's, I got a cheaper 7 day one myself a few years ago.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:04 PM   #11753
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I tell you, it's awful living a stone's throw form Mexico knowing that I can't just come and go as I please, if I could I'd be doing day trips all the time. This longer tourist permit thing sounds promising. Although I've got dual citizenship I've always been required to do tourist paperwork since I do not live in Mexico.
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:55 AM   #11754
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I'm a pasty white boy and I love Menudo. My wife wont let me cook it at home because it makes the house smell like a feed lot


Let us all know when your wifey makes that red mole again, we'll send out for Menudo, and you can eat all you want. Mas mole for the rest of us. Nom.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:51 AM   #11755
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Hotels in Torreon

Any suggestions on Hotel/hostels in Torreon, MX? Has anybody stayed at Hotel Savoy?
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:00 AM   #11756
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We have a restaurant here in Pflugerville called El Rincon and they have menudo as good as any I've had in Mexico. Come on up for a bowl sometime.

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Old 12-22-2012, 06:24 AM   #11757
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Weazy,

I loves me some of that Pozole. It is the tripe. If it is not washed at least 50 times in Clorox, it doesn't work for me. My neighbor would bring me menudo every once and a while and I would accept it to be friendly and not eat it , I would send it home with the house keeper. She finally ratted me out and we had a good laugh.

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Old 12-22-2012, 07:34 AM   #11758
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I wanted to be in Mexico when the world ended so went down on Thrusday, overate at several restaurantes, and the world didn't end on Friday. So overate some more. OK, so now back in AZ, on my way to TX and nothing unsafe has happened. I even brushed my teeth with tap water, and nothing happened. Kinda cold tho. Army checkpoints got a kick out of my end of the world reasoning.
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:59 AM   #11759
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San Cristobal looks like it might be a cool place, could be a good next stop, only a few hours from Palenque - anyone know a good place to stay?

BTW Tricepilot, where do I find "your girl" in Palenque?
I liked the Hotel Jovel. It had decent parking and was easy to get in and out of with the bike. Only 250 pesos for a private room if you did not need cable.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:15 AM   #11760
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If you are coming in from the east stay in Parras De La Fuente instead. It is much nicer than Torreon. Torreon is a dump with no redeaming qualities that I have ever discovered, even after going there many times. In the past I have stayed at the Marriot Torreon on Independencia for work. It's nice but kind of expensive. The Rincon Del Bife resturant is also on Independencia, a few blocks east. Although, if you want a good steak you can get one in Texas.
Thanks for the suggestion for hotel and restaurant. It will have to be Torreon. Parras is on my list, but the unrefined crew I run with will be looking for more trouble than is allowed there. More of a tequila crowd than vino. I'm about to form the same opinion in regards to Torreon's merits to the Nortean Traveler. This will be my 4 overnight in Torreon. Each year I ask the same question on ADV and yet not one inmate has answered more then you today. The Torreon Marriott has been suggested by a few, so I guess we will loosen up the wallets and pay. I think a doble runs about $100 US after taxes. We will be at the Roma in DRG on 1/5/13 and having delishous hotdogs across from the cathedral that eve. Not hard to find 6 dirty Okies in the plaza.
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