Is Mexico Safe?

[dcstrom]

Originally Posted by tricepilot

Here's a map I just made for you.

Ah crap - I missed her! Was at the ruins earlier. For some reason I was thinking she was in town. Good effort on the maps though, I appreciate it.

Today was pissing down rain - disappointing, but not the end of the world :lol

I made the trip out to the Ruinas anyway. I should have taken the underwater camera... I had a plastic sleeve to keep the DSLR dry, which sorta worked.





I felt sorry for the vendors - maybe Esther wasn't even there?





These guys didn't seem to mind.




Trevor

[MysteryRider]

Originally Posted by Craneguy

Is that like the german snipers and three cigarette lights... They see you, get excited by the shiny Harley then grab the poor British sap at the end?

And then, BLAMO!!
Someone blasts them with a laser pointer.

[tricepilot]

Originally Posted by dcstrom

Ah crap - I missed her! Was at the ruins earlier. For some reason I was thinking she was in town. Good effort on the maps though, I appreciate it.

I felt sorry for the vendors - maybe Esther wasn't even there?

No, she was there.

She said there was a crazed gringo running around naked in the rain, screaming "I am Trevor the Omniscient! The End of the World Is Here!"

[dcstrom]

Originally Posted by tricepilot

No, she was there.

She said there was a crazed gringo running around naked in the rain, screaming "I am Trevor the Omniscient! The End of the World Is Here!"

Damn ADV'rs have spies everywhere... ok you got me - this is me (naked under the poncho).




Speaking of naked - what's wrong with kids these days? With all the cute hippy girls there, I was hoping for a Woodstock-esque strip off the gear and dance in the rain kind of scene. But noooooo, what a bunch of wimps this generation is eh??

[SchizzMan]

Originally Posted by MikeMike

When you come to Mexico you should ride like a local rider. You are expected to because you are on a motorcycle.
Enjoy it. You can't do that in the USA.

Amen to THAT!

[SR]

Originally Posted by dcstrom

SR, we were only discussing those taxis the other day weren't we? You decided to see what they are made of?

Yep, those taxis cost something like 90,000 pesos brand new? I suspect that one reason why they don't import them into the US is that they don't pass the DOTs front impact test.

The safety lesson, if you are going to crash, crash into an Indian taxi not a Jeep. The taxi will take up some of the energy of the impact, the Jeep, not so much.

[MikeMike]

DC, yes, you were the rider, but we here in Veracruz never name names, unless you are named Trice, Jimmy, Schizz, Donnie, John, Bob, Shawn, Julio, Graham, Andy, Gregg, Jean Luc, Steve, a Mystery, Raphael, Charlie, Ewan, Arte, Andres, Richard, Danny, Jorge, Oscar, another Andy, a few Daves, and a cast and crew, but no groupies.

[WeazyBuddha]

Jeebus, you guys are a jabbering bunch. I stay away from the thread and It's already multiple pages further down.

Re: below

So now the TVIP and Tourist permit are aligned at 180 days? What was the limit on the tuourist permit before this?

I'm a bit embarrassed that a bunch of pasty white white boys have traveled more and know more about the country of my birth than I do.

Oh, and menudo is awesome (if you grew up with it, otherwise it's probably inedbible)

Originally Posted by Sjoerd Bakker

RE; the UNINTERRUPTED visit of Mexico
.................................................. ..................... precisely worded and nevertheless open to interpretation.
Her is how it works....
When you leave Mexico for an " interruption" back in the USA you DO NOT go to the trouble of getting yourself checked out of Mexico. That is so easy to do, you simply do not go in at the Migracion office to get a Salida stamp in your passport which would require that you also cancel your Tourist Card.
As I explained earlier , when you leave Mexico at the US border the Migracion and Banjercito workers do not come running out of their office to tackle the gringo heading north to take away his documents, nor do they take your temperature and check your diaper ( that is done by US customs when you enter the Homeland ...) . At the Mexican inland Aduana terminals they only check inbound tourist traffic documentation, You are free to cross back and forth between the Zona Fronteriza and the interior as often as you wish while retaining your documents..
When you cross the border to the USA in this manner you are technically still registered as being IN Mexico , legally until the last day of validity of your Tourist Card and TVIP.
When you return to continue your stay in Mexico you are all set up with the documentation. Nobody at the border will flinch if in the cursory random inspection you hold up your current and valid documents. .
Likewise when you get to the inland Migracion checkpoint your documents will be accepted without a problem. .
The only time when you will get yourself into trouble is if you do not cancel the documents before going to the USA and then fail to return at least to the Mexican border terminal with the very same bike BEFORE the expiry date of said documents. That means if you show up with expired documents and you ask that they be cancelled you are exceding the permitted stay period . You will possibly face a fine. You will definitely NOT get your Security Deposit back .
Comprendo ?
This is the detailed background and explains what Kobukan was correctly told . It was also explained in this way to me by the Mexican Migracion worker this past April as I was cancelling my Tourist Card document in order to cross into Belize at Subte Lpoez QRO where cancellation IS mandatory for the Tourist Card but NOT the TVIP.
This also shows that the TVIP is considered to be a multiple entry document , so why would the Tourist Card for the sqme person be any different ? Such variation is illogical. but is applied at te Central American border end of Mexico, not at the USA side.
If the Migracion workers at the USA side of Mexico are going to raise an issue about it the simple way to avoid that is to clam up about your
travels. No need to get chatty and explain that you have been bouncing back and forth between the two countries - just say you had an excelent 6 month stay in Mexico and you forgot where all you have been, so dazzled by the experience are you. .

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[Turkeycreek]

The little Hyundai Atos is sold all over the world, including in the UK. They offer front air bags in some markets. If the damage did not affect the passenger compartment then all is good. I was once rear ended by a Geo Metro while driving a Subaru Outback. The Metro had similar damage to what is shown in the photos but no incursion into the driver's foot well. I had zero damage to my car. I think the reason thay have not brought the Atos to the US is they they don't want to steal sales from their more profitable small cars and because they would have to add a lot of US mandated stuff thus squeezing the profit margin. There are lots of them buzzing around in Hermosillo, a good city car. Not that great on the killer topes on the secondary roads so we don't see them here too often.

On another note, since the Metro was built by Suzuki, I read today that Suzuki will no longer sell cars in the US after this year.

[SchizzMan]

Originally Posted by WeazyBuddha

Jeebus, you guys are a jabbering bunch. I stay away from the thread and It's already multiple pages further down.

Re: below

So now the TVIP and Tourist permit are aligned at 180 days? What was the limit on the tuourist permit before this?

I'm a bit embarrassed that a bunch of pasty white white boys have traveled more and know more about the country of my birth than I do.

Oh, and menudo is awesome (if you grew up with it, otherwise it's probably inedbible)

We have a restaurant here in Pflugerville called El Rincon and they have menudo as good as any I've had in Mexico. Come on up for a bowl sometime.

-PastyWhiteBoy

[Turkeycreek]

Weazy,

You eat menudo on New year's day. That way nothing worse can happen to you all year.

Re: TVIPs, They are co-terminus with the visa. If you get a 7 day visa, you can only get a 7 permisso.

[SR]

Originally Posted by WeazyBuddha

Oh, and menudo is awesome (if you grew up with it, otherwise it's probably inedbible)

I'm a pasty white boy and I love Menudo. My wife wont let me cook it at home because it makes the house smell like a feed lot

[WeazyBuddha]

El Rincon has been entered into the travel computer but it's still calculating an appropriate date.

I 'gotta agree with you SR, the smell is awful while it's cooking but the result is fantastic.

Hey, TurkeyCreek, if you don't like menudo you will surely like Pozole. mmmm... all the goodness of menudo without the squishy stomach meat.

[AndyT]

Originally Posted by Sjoerd Bakker

RE;

................ When you cross the border to the USA in this manner you are technically still registered as being IN Mexico , legally until the last day of validity of your Tourist Card and TVIP........................

Thanks for the effort, but I knew the rest of that. What I am questioning is the acuracy of the sentence above.



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As far as I'm concerned this subject is finished here. Thanks again.

[AndyT]

Originally Posted by Turkeycreek

Weazy,

Re: TVIPs, They are co-terminus with the visa. If you get a 7 day visa, you can only get a 7 permisso.

And it used to be that a 7 day TVIP was cheaper than a 180 day one, but now that is not the case. Again, what I was told by a Mexican border dude, is that now there is one price for TVIP's, I got a cheaper 7 day one myself a few years ago.