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Old 12-22-2012, 04:06 AM   #1
axelh OP
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Pissed Engine RPMs Up and Down all time

My 990 with 20k miles, the engine RPMs when you are not accelerating goes up and donw all time, somtimes stay up for some seceonds and then goes down. I cleaned all injector, injector body, fuel filters, etc... but it still do the same, somes idea what can be the problem ?

KMT service told me that I have to change all injector body, but this cost a fortune and I dont think this is the problem.

Thanks for the help !!!!
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:42 AM   #2
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TPS needs setting up.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:37 AM   #3
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Mine does that sometimes. Seems like riding tight trails at low rpms,brings it on. Not always tho.

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Old 12-22-2012, 08:55 AM   #4
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Throttle Position Sensor...

but seems like you guys over there have some weird fuels imposed upon you

check out this thread
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836232
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:27 AM   #5
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Is that you Fabian?

Hi, I am in Santiago also and am having the same problem with my 990R. My buddy Fabian is also having the same problem so I thought it may be you mate.

If not PM me with your cell and we can talk. Fabian and I have spent looooong hours with Claudio Nilo trying to sort this out and have eliminated some of the variables, looks like you have also so between the 3 of us maybe we can come up with a solution.

Like you have stripped the bike 4 or 5 times now and have checked all the sensors, wires, balanced the throttle bodies, checked the Throttle Position Sensor setting (it was ok within spec), checked the seating of the injector bodies to make sure there are no air leaks or splits.

I now have the cable to link a PC to the ECM on the bike, and have the tuneECU software to diagnose and even remap the bike, althugh I am still browsing up and down the "got tunes" thread to figure this out and not make an almighty fucking mess of it

Having said all this for the last 2 days the bike has miraculously run perfectly. It has done that before however and then just as suddently started idling at anywhere between 2000 and 4000. Interesting when you shut off on your way into a curve fully committed. I have started riding like I did my old 2 stroke air cooled motocrossers....one finger on the clutch at all times

Anyone else out there ever had this and know of a solution. Please!?

Saludos - Martyn

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My 990 with 20k miles, the engine RPMs when you are not accelerating goes up and donw all time, somtimes stay up for some seceonds and then goes down. I cleaned all injector, injector body, fuel filters, etc... but it still do the same, somes idea what can be the problem ?

KMT service told me that I have to change all injector body, but this cost a fortune and I dont think this is the problem.

Thanks for the help !!!!
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Old 12-22-2012, 04:47 PM   #6
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+1 on the finger on the clutch. 2 weeks mine cut out in a curve doing about 40 mph in gravel. body slammed me like a bitch,and it hurt....
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:24 PM   #7
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My first '07 had a similar issue which made the bike almost unrideable.
As those above I tuned it with tune ECU,
I had two 990's at the time one ran fine so I changed ECU's throttle
bodies, sensors, etc.with no luck.

Finally I got the bike back to running like it should by making fine adjustments
to the small screw which adjusts the throttle position on start up.
That's on the underside of the small electrical/mechanical sensor on the front
right side of the FI's

I removed the airbox and reinstalled the injectors and made the adjustments with the bike running.
Just a small adjustment was enough.
Hope this helps.

Martyn, I got the bike from the shipper and am now in Mazatlan after
riding a 1500 mile loop through Northern Mexico ( Copper Canyon
Durango, etc )

We are headed South and with luck hope to see you in Chile.

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Old 12-22-2012, 08:13 PM   #8
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Max...did your bike do it all the time or just every now and then? Mine does at start up sometimes.not that often, other times after long sections of tight stuff at low rpms...
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:28 PM   #9
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check the clutch lever switch to make sure it working correctly...
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:20 AM   #10
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Ouch!

Hope you were ok Skip and no serious damage to you.

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+1 on the finger on the clutch. 2 weeks mine cut out in a curve doing about 40 mph in gravel. body slammed me like a bitch,and it hurt....
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:21 AM   #11
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Will do

Thanks for the tip, will do that. Can I just eliminate the bugger and have done? I dont like what it does anyway

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check the clutch lever switch to make sure it working correctly...

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Old 12-23-2012, 04:26 AM   #12
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Hey Mark,

Good to hear you guys are back on the road. I salute your stoic spirit in just getting on with the Adventure despite the setback.

Let me know when you and Bonnie are on approach mate. We`ll get the meat on the fire and ready the pisco sours

If we plan it right hopefully Katie and I can ride with you guys for a few days eh?

Abrazo - Martyn

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Martyn, I got the bike from the shipper and am now in Mazatlan after
riding a 1500 mile loop through Northern Mexico ( Copper Canyon
Durango, etc )

We are headed South and with luck hope to see you in Chile.

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Old 12-24-2012, 11:05 AM   #13
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Bingo!

Well at least I think so. Shorted the clutch switch out this afternoon and it rode home perfectly, like it hasnt run since the engine rebuild! Hopefully this is the fix. You have no idea what a relief it is we have been working on this for 2 months now

Great early Christmas present, thanks ever so much

What the hell has the clutch safety sensor got to do with fuelling/idling?


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Old 12-24-2012, 11:24 AM   #14
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The switch tells the ECU (among other systems) that the clutch is disengaged (if lever is pulled in) and therefore should not cut fuel on closed throttle if I recall correctly...

I'd have to look at the wiring diagram to see if the switch is supposed to be closed or open when the lever is pulled in.

If the mod you made effectively is telling the ECU the clutch is disengaged all the time, this may have other undesirable side effects
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:29 PM   #15
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Disengaged..

Wont be able to get to the wiring diagram until later this week.

I can start the bike in gear so it seems it thinks it is disengaged all the time. What undesirable side effects would you anticipate?

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The switch tells the ECU (among other systems) that the clutch is disengaged (if lever is pulled in) and therefore should not cut fuel on closed throttle if I recall correctly...

I'd have to look at the wiring diagram to see if the switch is supposed to be closed or open when the lever is pulled in.

If the mod you made effectively is telling the ECU the clutch is disengaged all the time, this may have other undesirable side effects
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