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Old 12-25-2012, 10:27 AM   #3871
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Lucas Design NC700X

Nice one:
http://www.lucasdesign.de/ourwork/2_...c_700_se_2012/
Will do next year.
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Old 12-25-2012, 02:59 PM   #3872
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That's pretty cool looking. Wonder what something like that would cost (though obviously not here in US).


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Old 12-25-2012, 09:52 PM   #3873
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:16 AM   #3874
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No mirrors?
Guess they were removed along with tail assembly for foto session.
I will not change my stock assembly at all, but will be looking for a perfect and professional paintjob which should be crucial for this kind of project. Other than this, I will not change my basic bodywork, but only those black parts, side panels, complete front part and sub-engine panels. No offensive grafics, no fist. Already contacted Lucas Design for details about their work, the cost of it and the options I have.
I specially like their wheel styling:
http://www.lucasdesign.de/ourwork/2_...se_2012/09.jpg

My favourite view: http://www.lucasdesign.de/ourwork/2_...se_2012/03.jpg
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:37 AM   #3875
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Left Hand Pain

I have to make a decision next year, when I have a little more scratch, about buying something without a clutch. I had surgery in my left hand in early August for Dupuytren's Contracture. I have lost some strength in that hand and operating the clutch on my Tiger 800 Roadie is causing me pain after about 20 minutes of riding. One of my choices is the XC DCT. Another is the electronic shifting FJR, and BMW's new 650 scooter. I am not completely comfortable with the cv belt drive on the Beamer and not sure about the whole scooter thing either. Anyone have a feel for the difference in gas mileage between the two XCs?
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:59 AM   #3876
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Anyone have a feel for the difference in gas mileage between the two XCs?
The Cycle World challenge ran the bikes against each other.........but it does involve small a rider technique variable:

http://www.cycleworld.com/nc700xadventurechallenge/
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:02 AM   #3877
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I have to make a decision next year, when I have a little more scratch, about buying something without a clutch. I had surgery in my left hand in early August for Dupuytren's Contracture. I have lost some strength in that hand and operating the clutch on my Tiger 800 Roadie is causing me pain after about 20 minutes of riding. One of my choices is the XC DCT. Another is the electronic shifting FJR, and BMW's new 650 scooter. I am not completely comfortable with the cv belt drive on the Beamer and not sure about the whole scooter thing either. Anyone have a feel for the difference in gas mileage between the two XCs?
I assume that you are referring to the NC DCT, as in NC700X, rather than XC? If so, this video of the Cycle world Adventure Challenge's mileage portion may be of interest to you.

http://www.cycleworld.com/videos/hon..._challenge__1/
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:10 AM   #3878
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Thanks for the correction, yes I meant the NC700X standard or DCT versions.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:19 AM   #3879
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What I conclude from that video is that the difference is insignificant, to me. I prefer a range to empty of at least 220 and it seems either NC is well above that.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:49 AM   #3880
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I have to make a decision next year, when I have a little more scratch, about buying something without a clutch. I had surgery in my left hand in early August for Dupuytren's Contracture. I have lost some strength in that hand and operating the clutch on my Tiger 800 Roadie is causing me pain after about 20 minutes of riding. One of my choices is the XC DCT. Another is the electronic shifting FJR, and BMW's new 650 scooter. I am not completely comfortable with the cv belt drive on the Beamer and not sure about the whole scooter thing either. Anyone have a feel for the difference in gas mileage between the two XCs?
I don't know what your affliction is but I have the same symptoms. I sold my Tiger 800 and My R12RT for this reason. I love my NCX DCT. I also owned a Burgman but just didn't like the scooter feel.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:24 AM   #3881
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Another choice I have is the Mana, and I have a dealer in Baton Rouge. In some ways it is similar to the NC. I believe it accomplishes auto shifting in a different way but can't speak to the differences in how they work. I'm pretty sure the Mana puts out around 10 more hp with a significant mileage penality, possibly as much as 15 to 20 mpg. Somehow I trust Honda's DCT technology more, not sure why. Possibly because it has been used in the DN 01 and the VFR with not a lot of complaints.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:27 AM   #3882
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Another choice I have is the Mana, and I have a dealer in Baton Rouge. In some ways it is similar to the NC. I believe it accomplishes auto shifting in a different way but can't speak to the differences in how they work. I'm pretty sure the Mana puts out around 10 more hp with a significant mileage penality, possibly as much as 15 to 20 mpg. Somehow I trust Honda's DCT technology more, not sure why. Possibly because it has been used in the DN 01 and the VFR with not a lot of complaints.
Well you're just all over the place!


Mana should be a lot faster, and it has an electronic CVT, much like the
Burgman 650 scooter. Unlike "normal" scooters with their mechanical
CVTs, this one can be "adjusted" on the fly for lower cruising revs OR
higher cruising revs for better performance.

The Mana has a sport mode which will (again, much like on a Burgman)
get the revs up near the peak power spot.

That's probably the only down-side to the normal CVT systems, you
can't have both, but you can tune the hell out of it (just not while riding).

One common thing among owners of both of these.. you'll try the manual
model once or twice and forget about it. There's no real benefits to it.

I believe DN01 has some sort of CVT too, not the DCT (which in essence
is a manual transmission that can operate in an automatic way) that's
available on VFR and NC700S/X/Integra.

The Mana, just like a proper Aprilia should.. has some quality issues.
More on that - AF1 Aprilia Forums.

You're right about fuel consumption.
It's about 50% worse.

I'd say DCT was the way to go for anyone more biased to manual
shifting.. but I think many owners will find themselves riding in
full auto modes, and never admitting it.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:45 AM   #3883
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Well you're just all over the place!


I'd say DCT was the way to go for anyone more biased to manual
shifting.. but I think many owners will find themselves riding in
full auto modes, and never admitting it.
I agree personally I don't like the sound and feel of the CVT transmissions. The DCT transmission sounds and feels a lot more like a manual transmission even when in auto mode
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:54 AM   #3884
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I agree personally I don't like the sound and feel of the CVT transmissions. The DCT transmission sounds and feels a lot more like a manual transmission even when in auto mode
It's like using a quickshifter/shifting without using the clutch.
Not like - the same.

A lot of people will never try it because of prejudice.. but.. it's the way to go.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:38 AM   #3885
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Well you're just all over the place!


Mana should be a lot faster, and it has an electronic CVT, much like the
Burgman 650 scooter. Unlike "normal" scooters with their mechanical
CVTs, this one can be "adjusted" on the fly for lower cruising revs OR
higher cruising revs for better performance.

The Mana has a sport mode which will (again, much like on a Burgman)
get the revs up near the peak power spot.

That's probably the only down-side to the normal CVT systems, you
can't have both, but you can tune the hell out of it (just not while riding).

One common thing among owners of both of these.. you'll try the manual
model once or twice and forget about it. There's no real benefits to it.

I believe DN01 has some sort of CVT too, not the DCT (which in essence
is a manual transmission that can operate in an automatic way) that's
available on VFR and NC700S/X/Integra.

The Mana, just like a proper Aprilia should.. has some quality issues.
More on that - AF1 Aprilia Forums.

You're right about fuel consumption.
It's about 50% worse.

I'd say DCT was the way to go for anyone more biased to manual
shifting.. but I think many owners will find themselves riding in
full auto modes, and never admitting it.
Great response, thanks so much for the info.
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