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Old 12-24-2012, 03:07 AM   #106
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Those of you anxiously awaiting the arrival of the GW (GrossWeight?)250 may want to back it down a notch until you've actually seen one. This thing is by far the ugliest stock bike I have ever seen, and I am not a young man.It looks much worse in person, trust me. The pictures don't really capture the poor proportioning or the overwheming size of that front fender. When I saw it at the IMS I at first couldn't figure out what it was doing at the Suzuki stand as it really does look like a Kymco gone bad.


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It's also heavier. longer, with more conservative geometry than its competition and is, according to Suzuki, tuned for low to mid rpm performance, so it's on road performance isn't likely to be much either.
No one is expecting it to be a class leader in performance.. and all the other
stuff you listed.. as us computer guys say.. "It's a feature, not a bug.".

Some want a "conservative" bike.
I for one love them for doing a "full-sized" bike in the 250cc category,
like Honda used to have a Hornet 250 (same as 599 and 919).

There's plenty to choose from in the 250cc screamer category.
I want diesel torqu down low.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:18 AM   #107
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Then if you buy one, you will likely be happy with it, Cortez.
Do you feel the lack of body work is a feature also? Some prefer naked in their smaller, more basic bikes.

Have you seen one in person yet?

Here in the U.S, I think its success is going to be very price dependant. It has a lot of competition from the CBR250 and a ton of used and new small Ninjas. Suzuki's auto division here in America did file bankruptcy so it will be interesting to see how that affects their bike pricing.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:37 AM   #108
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Then if you buy one, you will likely be happy with it, Cortez.
It's very unlikely I'll buy a bike like that since I'm now on a scooter with more
power and miss the power I had in the last bike (just 72hp), but it would be
(most likely) my first choice if the price is right. For example, Ninja 250,
while probably the best value in the category, would be my last.

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Do you feel the lack of body work is a feature also? Some prefer naked in their smaller, more basic bikes.
Yes.
I'd actually be even happier with the way it looks if it had the old style
round headlight like the YBR250 and CBF250.

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Have you seen one in person yet?
Nope, but I'm looking forward to it. I can understand the front fender
issue, though.


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Here in the U.S, I think its success is going to be very price dependant. It has a lot of competition from the CBR250 and a ton of used and new small Ninjas. Suzuki's auto division here in America did file bankruptcy so it will be interesting to see how that affects their bike pricing.
Nothing to add but agree with what you said.

The "pattern" of how the motorcycle industry works in USA seems (to me)
to be easier to follow then our local stuff (EU).

Here, for example, you won't find a single CBR250R on the road.

The reason? It costs the same as the Ninja 250R, and 90% of buyers
in that category will buy bikes on power/specs alone. R bike looks helps
too.

The 300R will never sell well here, I'm 98% sure of that since it costs
virtually the same as the 650R.

I'm sure I'd love the 300R more then I did my 650R, but at those prices,
I'd get a NC700S or NC700X and never look back.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:19 AM   #109
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The only thing that matters to me about a bike like this is how it looks and feels from the saddle. If it is reasonably comfortable, and capable of freeway travel (my air cooled Rebel 250 was) , and if I can figure out a way to carry stuff on it, and because it has tubeless tires that can be repaired without a centerstand, I like it. Unlike most everybody here, I am looking for a bike to ride. Just ride. Not a sport bike, I can't handle the ergos on one of those. I would prefer it not be a cruiser, but that would be ok, if a 250 cruiser fit the bill. I am NOT looking for power or handling beyond what is necessary to cruise down the highway. Some say this bike is ugly, then turn around and praise the Honda NC700X, the ugliest motorcycle I've ever seen. IF this does not work out, my only other choice will be a 250cc or larger scooter. There are no other 250cc bikes that meet my needs. I have non issues with a scooter, I already have 3, but none of them are freeway legal. I was going to get a larger one when I saw this and became intrigued by it. So I at least intend to check it out, IF it ever shows up.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:58 PM   #110
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The thing is, with freeway legal scooters, you end up well into the price range of the 250 MC offerings.
Still, it is an option. I thing all of the little bike/big scooter offerings/competition are a good thing.
Hopefully, cheap smaller bikes get new riders started.
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:35 AM   #111
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Have you looked at the TU250?


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The only thing that matters to me about a bike like this is how it looks and feels from the saddle. If it is reasonably comfortable, and capable of freeway travel (my air cooled Rebel 250 was) , and if I can figure out a way to carry stuff on it, and because it has tubeless tires that can be repaired without a centerstand, I like it. Unlike most everybody here, I am looking for a bike to ride. Just ride. Not a sport bike, I can't handle the ergos on one of those. I would prefer it not be a cruiser, but that would be ok, if a 250 cruiser fit the bill. I am NOT looking for power or handling beyond what is necessary to cruise down the highway. Some say this bike is ugly, then turn around and praise the Honda NC700X, the ugliest motorcycle I've ever seen. IF this does not work out, my only other choice will be a 250cc or larger scooter. There are no other 250cc bikes that meet my needs. I have non issues with a scooter, I already have 3, but none of them are freeway legal. I was going to get a larger one when I saw this and became intrigued by it. So I at least intend to check it out, IF it ever shows up.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:33 AM   #112
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The only thing that matters to me about a bike like this is how it looks and feels from the saddle. If it is reasonably comfortable, and capable of freeway travel (my air cooled Rebel 250 was) , and if I can figure out a way to carry stuff on it, and because it has tubeless tires that can be repaired without a centerstand, I like it. Unlike most everybody here, I am looking for a bike to ride. Just ride. Not a sport bike, I can't handle the ergos on one of those. I would prefer it not be a cruiser, but that would be ok, if a 250 cruiser fit the bill. I am NOT looking for power or handling beyond what is necessary to cruise down the highway. Some say this bike is ugly, then turn around and praise the Honda NC700X, the ugliest motorcycle I've ever seen. IF this does not work out, my only other choice will be a 250cc or larger scooter. There are no other 250cc bikes that meet my needs. I have non issues with a scooter, I already have 3, but none of them are freeway legal. I was going to get a larger one when I saw this and became intrigued by it. So I at least intend to check it out, IF it ever shows up.
Check out the CBR250R. It only looks like a sport bike. The ergos are standard.

Also, the new CB500F, due here in the spring is another standard that may work well for you too.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:37 AM   #113
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Have you looked at the TU250?
Grossly underpowered for a 250.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:40 AM   #114
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Grossly underpowered for a 250.
+1

That thing needs a V-twin from the Kymco Venox or VTR 250 (both ~28hp).
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:20 PM   #115
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Here is some info about a new Triumph 250cc water cooled twin:

http://twofiftymag.com/2013/01/break...aunch-new-250/

This one looks interesting......

Also thought this thread could use a bump.

Anyone seen this new Suzuki GW250 at a dealer yet??
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:22 PM   #116
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Anyone seen this new Suzuki GW250 at a dealer yet??
I checked it out at the motorcycle show. I wish they'd put that engine in a TU250 frame. I think it would be better ergonomically.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:43 PM   #117
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Is the TU frame larger and roomier?


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I checked it out at the motorcycle show. I wish they'd put that engine in a TU250 frame. I think it would be better ergonomically.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:10 PM   #118
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Is the TU frame larger and roomier?
It might actually be smaller...but the seating position of the TU feels roomier...saddle is flat and roomy, while the saddle on the GW is sort of U-shaped and I felt wedged into position while sitting on it. That was my preliminary impression.
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:48 PM   #119
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Here is some info about a new Triumph 250cc water cooled twin:

http://twofiftymag.com/2013/01/break...aunch-new-250/

This one looks interesting......

High handlebars with a sharply sloping front seat assure your nuts will stay in constant contact with the tank. Gahhhhhhh, I hate that.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:33 PM   #120
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High handlebars with a sharply sloping front seat assure your nuts will stay in constant contact with the tank. Gahhhhhhh, I hate that.
It is an artists rendering, clearly strangely scaled pieces of speed triple photoshopped together.
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