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Old 12-15-2012, 11:48 AM   #16
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What such a trip costs, can once again vary enormously. $50k ?? Yeah, I'm sure somebody can spend even more in a short time. Those of us, who aren't that wealthy, may have to do on a lot less than that. Where you'll spend the time will affect your costs a lot. Europe, North America and Australia are the most expensive areas. You could probably spend a week in some cheap country for what you pay in only one day in parts of Europe, for example.

Another thing to consider is the fact that the bike itself will most likely be uninsured in many countries. So go with a bike, that you can stand losing completely (even though having an insurance might not help the sad reality, that your trip is ruined, if you lose the bike). This is why I would personally not go with the fancy +1000cc behemoths, too much money invested to sleep well. But someone, who is wealthier than me, may not care so much.
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:35 PM   #17
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The original post was intended for a "money isn't an issue" trip. So it included Europe (i.e. the Autobahn) so comfort and speed would be an issue. I remember getting passed when I was going 125 mph by old guys in Mercedes station wagons. Not fun on a low powered bike.

I'll do another article about low cost options. I still wont get into used though. Some guys have no problem taking an old pos around the world. But if I'm going to be 20,000 miles from home I want to know the history of the bike. And even a cheap RTW trip is going to push $50k, so whats another $2k to get a new bike over a used one?
Credentials? Adventure riding experience? Off road? Engineer or relevant industry experience? Stay at a Holiday Inn last night?
Not trying to be hostile but according to your profile you've owned one bike, have taken a beginner ride course, and admit to being a terrible dirt rider.
Am I missing something here?
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:47 PM   #18
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What such a trip costs, can once again vary enormously. $50k ?? Yeah, I'm sure somebody can spend even more in a short time. Those of us, who aren't that wealthy, may have to do on a lot less than that. Where you'll spend the time will affect your costs a lot. Europe, North America and Australia are the most expensive areas. You could probably spend a week in some cheap country for what you pay in only one day in parts of Europe, for example.

What's the cheapest trip you have heard of that included North and South America, Africa, and Asia? Some people arent candid with their costs, I wish more people were.

I suspect that it's going to be close to $10k just in fuel. Add another $5k for a farkled used bike. $6k for water crossings. Then say around $2k for camping/boondocking. That's $23k not including food. Either way, adding another couple grand for a nicer bike isn't much. Sure, an American could skip everything and fly their bike to London from their closest airport, then from London they could fly it to someplace in Eastern Russia, then fly it back to their local Airport.

Yay, you just went around the world on your bike for less then $10k! No thanks, I'll save for another couple years and see everything! YMMV!


While I do love reading the reports of guys that go around the world on the cheap, something is always missing because money is such an issue. That's a shame. $50,000 is a ton of money for most of us, but most of us can work a second job to make it happen if it's that important:

$8.00 an hour at a menial job
20 hours per week part time (some people spend 20 hours a week on this forum!)
$160 per week
$8320 per year
6 years later $49,920!
Add a year because you got raped in taxes and there you go. And that doesn't include any money you saved from your main employment. Did you want to go around the world 7 years ago? You could be leaving tomorrow if you really wanted it bad enough.

But because people don't have the money right now that means they can't have it. They have to skip the Taj because they cant afford it. They skip the Outback because it's expensive Down Under. They skip Paris, the Autobahn, England, Amsterdam, the running of the bulls, and many other awesome things because they can't afford it.

Side rant: The "I want it now" society has caused this in many of us. 14 years ago I wanted to go around the world, but here I am, sitting in my computer chair because I was one of those people that didn't have the money. Bullshit, that's my damn fault. I'm fixing that! I'm working every free second I have to pay for it. Will there be bumps in the road? Sure, but I'll pay for it, and not with a credit card! Could I die next year and have never seen the Great Pyramids? Yup, but when I do see them, I don't want to be stressed about money. If it means I have to save even longer, I will get around the world. I won't skip anything I want to see, Most people only get one shot at something like a RTW trip; why make it stressful? Why make compromises?
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:50 PM   #19
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Credentials? Adventure riding experience? Off road? Engineer or relevant industry experience? Stay at a Holiday Inn last night?
Not trying to be hostile but according to your profile you've owned one bike, have taken a beginner ride course, and admit to being a terrible dirt rider.
Am I missing something here?
No hostility taken. And you are right, I've owned one street legal bike (and a few dirtbikes). I've been on a couple long weekend rides, never out of the state. Only taken the MSF beginner course to get the license waiver. I'm not an engineer nor do I play one on TV. My bike has about 6,000 miles on it. I bought it in August. Just to give you an idea of how long I've been at this, my first post here on ADV was 05/03/2012 asking what kind of thumper to get! I didn't know the difference between a WR250R and a WR250X.

But if you add a couple wheels, and three more of them driving, I have a little more experience. I've driven a 4x4 in 8 countries. Been broken down a few thousand miles from anyone that speaks my language, walked away from more then a couple flipped over rigs, raced across sand dunes, bought gas from a 5-gallon bucket, and spent weeks in a tent. I even got paid to drive off-road for awhile.

Motorcycles are cheaper, easier to work on, last longer off-road, and are more fun. I made the switch late this summer and will never go back. Both of my jeeps are for sale. I will not own a car after this winter.

I learn something new every day. I enjoy this sport/hobby so much more then 4x4's. All the car companies are selling junk and calling it "off-road" ready. Maybe the Jeep Rubicon, but that's about it. Land Rover sold out, Mercedes wont import the G-Wagon, Nissan wont import the Patrol, and Toyota made the Land Cruiser into a minivan. I'm done fighting to make a vehicle do what it was never designed to do.

Ultimately, does it matter? Are any of my points not valid?
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:01 PM   #20
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Actually with your experience and attitude you'll do well with Adventure riding.

None the less seat time on lots of different bikes and circumstances will teach you stuff that words will never accomplish. For example I like big thumpers for a day ride but on longer trips I find them tedious, but others are happy to ride them for months on end. Fully loaded up the difference in weight between a big thumper and a small twin may not be that much.

Although there are lots of different bikes available you will need to modify it to suit as there are such a wide variety conditions to account for. Also I try to '80/20' my gear which means I bias my set up to the conditions I'll encounter most of the time.

Electrical output is an important consideration. Heated gear allows you to handle a wide range of conditions without a big pile of gear. If you're planning to ride at night more light is better, and so forth.

I think about reliability alot while riding in the boonies by myself. A bike that starts right up is high on my list while temperamental machinery is something to avoid ( even if nothing happens the thought will be in my mind, just me I suppose ).

Weather protection is nice, turbulence is not nice at all. Hard to have both at the same time. Getting our aerodynamics sorted out can take some work and why I prefer naked bikes.

Lots more of course but these are a few of my considerations. I will be curious to ses what you end up with and how it works out.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:25 PM   #21
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$50,000 is a ton of money for most of us, but most of us can work a second job to make it happen if it's that important:
Nicely put, I get rather annoyed with people who say I am lucky to have travelled like I have on a bike, no I have worked 50-55 hours a week, not gone out on Saturday night, not had all of the latest gadgets or a flat screen telelvision, rented out my spare room sometimes to people I would sooner not have. There was no luck involved just a lot of bloody hard work and going without what others consider essentials, something any of us lucky enough to be born in a developed country can do if we put our minds to it.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:33 AM   #22
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What's the cheapest trip you have heard of that included North and South America, Africa, and Asia? Some people arent candid with their costs, I wish more people were.

I suspect that it's going to be close to $10k just in fuel. Add another $5k for a farkled used bike. $6k for water crossings. Then say around $2k for camping/boondocking. That's $23k not including food. Either way, adding another couple grand for a nicer bike isn't much. Sure, an American could skip everything and fly their bike to London from their closest airport, then from London they could fly it to someplace in Eastern Russia, then fly it back to their local Airport.

Yay, you just went around the world on your bike for less then $10k! No thanks, I'll save for another couple years and see everything! YMMV!


While I do love reading the reports of guys that go around the world on the cheap, something is always missing because money is such an issue. That's a shame. $50,000 is a ton of money for most of us, but most of us can work a second job to make it happen if it's that important:



But because people don't have the money right now that means they can't have it. They have to skip the Taj because they cant afford it. They skip the Outback because it's expensive Down Under. They skip Paris, the Autobahn, England, Amsterdam, the running of the bulls, and many other awesome things because they can't afford it.
In the current economic crisis, having cash to do trips like this is harder than before for many people.

From Europe to Vladivostok in the Russian Far East, then freighting the bike across the Pacific to perhaps Anchorage, then riding west to east across North America to maybe New York, then once again freighting across the Atlantic... this would be a RTW-trip, would it not? And on that route plan, you donīt even go near Africa, or South America. Using main roads to calculate, I would expect that to be around 22-25 thousand kms. You could easily get higher mileage, when crossing just one continent such as Africa. Do-able on 10.000 USD? Donīt really know, but depending on the person, maybe it could be. Freighting twice across the oceans would be among the biggest costs.

But maybe youīre thinking about a trip to include all continents except Antarctica (or maybe even making an expensive boat trip to there, too?) Then itīll surely cost lots more. And youīll need lots more time to do it, too. I think itīs also important to understand, that you cannot see the whole world on one trip, if that trip has any reasonable duration. You always need to make decisions on where to go, and what to skip. Sure, there are a few people, who spend years or decades on the road, but itīs more like a way of living for them.

FWIW, I made a trip with my girlfriend from Finland to Australia 5 years ago, we spent 6 months on the road, about 34.000 kms. Costs including absolutely everything (flew home from Sydney, and the bike got back on a boat) were about 8 k Euros each. But since we were two-up on one bike, we were able to split fuel and other bike-related costs, as well as accommodation costs. We didnīt even carry a tent or any real camping/cooking gear, so I guess it could be done cheaper, too, although I would not bother camping or cooking in countries, where you get accommodation for 4-5 dollars, and meal for 1-2 dollars. The difference in costs (mostly fuel, accommodation and food) in different areas was really big, Europe and Oz were by far the most expensive places.

And did the price of the bike matter? For us, yes, it did, although we didnīt buy it just for the trip. But for one thing, we put in the trip more or less everything we had at that time, so returned home basically broke (lucky for me, work was still waiting here, actually this was why 6 months was maximum)... but anyway, had we spent any more on the bike, would probably have meant, that we cut the trip shorter. We actually thought about going home from Indonesia, but finally decided to do Australia, which I do not regret at all, though it was expensive.

About the trip here:
http://www.moto1.fi/blog.htm

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Old 12-18-2012, 03:47 AM   #23
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I suspect that it's going to be close to $10k just in fuel.
Regards fuel, I did keep some records on the trip and they showed that our DL650, loaded to the fullest (2 people, stuff for 6 months, spare set of tyres and everything!) used some 5.2 liters of gasoline per 100kms on average... (what US/UK mpg is that, somebody wiser than me please calculate?) So that meant, that we used some 1770 liters of fuel during the whole trip. The price of fuel varied wildly, and once again Europe and Oz were by far the most expensive (topping off at Turkey, just about 2 dollars a litre!) But luckily we did most of our mileage in MUCH cheaper countries, so I think 1 dollar per litre of fuel is not far away from the average price, and that could actually be even a little bit cheaper. But to say we payed 1000 dollars (or 650-700 Euros at the exchange rate of that time) each for fuel is not far off.

So while fuel was an important cost, for example all shippings that we had to do (India to Thailand, Malaysia to Indonesia, Indonesia to Oz, and finally returning home), plus our own flight tickets to those legs, were much more. I believe those cost all in all about 6000 euros. But leaving the last country, Australia, out would have dropped that number significantly, to 3000-4000 euros.

Worth noting here also, that had we spent all 6 months in Europe, for example, doing exactly the same mileage, fuel costs would have at least doubled. So itīs really hard to make any generalisations, that would be valid world-wide. Even if two people did two separate RTW-tours at the same time & following the same route, the trips probably would not cost them exactly the same. And our trip was 5 yrs ago, before the whole economy _hit hit the fan, so all prices mentioned are most likely well out-of-date, I put them here only to give some very rough idea of the order of different costs.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:33 PM   #24
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used some 5.2 liters of gasoline per 100kms on average... (what US/UK mpg is that, somebody wiser than me please calculate?)
That is 54 mpg UK or 43 mpg US, either way pretty good under the circumstances.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:30 AM   #25
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Best 2 up touring bike.

I have a S10, BM GSA and DL 650.

Although I'm sporadically making my way thorough SA on my GS because I like the ride I reluctantly believe the DL 650 is the best starting point for an adventure tourer 2 up.

I don't have huge mileages but I have 30K miles over the last 2 years on the 3 bikes.

Can anyone advise on what I should do regarding filtering fuel as it is pumped in SA countries. My GSA is basically standard with hard luggage and some extra protection, ie no additional filters etc.

Should I be doing something to help water crossing capability, if then what.

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Old 12-28-2012, 12:06 PM   #26
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For your criteria I would recommend one bike - and ONE bike only: the Yamaha XT660Z Tenere! Unfortunately they don't sell it in the US.

A bit on the heavy side (459 pounds), but bombproof motor (48 horses from 660ccm sounds very healthy!) build by the thousands for different models, big tank (5.8gallons), low fuel consumption (60MGP possible!). But: the current ABS model has lowered suspension travel, which will limit offroad capabilities, but in some countries you will still be able to get both versions with and without ABS.

Big tank, sufficient power and low weight don't get together. 250cc sounds a bit weak for a RTW trip! Unfortunately you can't get the Tenere in the US, so you might consider starting your trip here in Europe!
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:04 AM   #27
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... so you might consider starting your trip here in Europe!
I thought about including that in the criteria, but what do you do when you are done with the trip? I suppose you could sell the bike, but after that long on the road I would think you become somewhat attached to the bike.

I thought about starting my 4x4 trips in Germany so I could buy a Defender, but the same problems went with that as well.

Not to jump off topic, but I find it strange that the few years they did import the Defender 90 to the US they couldn't keep them on the dealer floor, and they are selling used for more then they were brand new.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:53 AM   #28
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Plenty of good choices for a RTW-bike available in the US, and at prices, that almost make me cry...

No way in hell would I fly over to Europe from the US to buy a bike. Fly from here to the US to buy and then go, that one I might even consider, but just keep in mind it's always easier to buy back home, do all farkling and necessary paperwork well in advance, get familiar with the bike, and sort out any possible problems well before your trip starts. If it's your first big trip, get the bike AT LEAST a year before you plan to start.

If I could buy from the US, and could not get it regoed back home after the trip, with those prices for used bikes, I could probably afford to just hang that bike on my wall....

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Same thing here

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=605104

I chose the DR650 also.

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