AR-NWA ADV BS thread - Page 3817

Albie · 12-31-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mouthfulloflake

guess I better head home then

wife said the central heat is out again

guess ill be under the house today
I hate this house

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Just call your landlord and have....................... oh wait, you OWN your house.

DRZ Charlie · 12-31-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Albie

Just call your landlord and have....................... oh wait, you OWN your house.

Heck Albie, if it's a light bulb out on a ceiling fan I call the office to have it replaced. Though I have had to do the ones in lamps all by myself....

Scribe · 12-31-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JaiDee

Same here on Mt. Seq. with rain since early a.m. Trees are starting to ice and get longish icicles. If it gets colder this could get really nasty.

-JD

Where are you at on Mt. Sequoia? I'm on Fletcher Avenue. If you are any higher up you probably ride right by my house to get to yours.

mdawg12 · 12-31-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Albie

Hell yeah! I will admit, after eating dust again yesterday, I'm happy that we're getting some very much needed rain. Just hope it doesn't all ice up.

There was dust???

mouthfulloflake · 12-31-2012, 10:05 AM

ok just got back from under the house.

when heater is turned on this happens.

inducer fan starts blow
hot surface ignitor begins to glow

after 20 seconds, ignitor is turned off, and it starts over again.

no gas flow I guess?

there is a pressure valve diaphragm thingy on the side of unit with hose going to inducer fan, could this control the gas output valve?

I guess Ill verify gas flow into the gas valve first, then go from there.

any ideas are appreciated.

wayno · 12-31-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mouthfulloflake

ok just got back from under the house.

when heater is turned on this happens.

inducer fan starts blow
hot surface ignitor begins to glow

after 20 seconds, ignitor is turned off, and it starts over again.

no gas flow I guess?

there is a pressure valve diaphragm thingy on the side of unit with hose going to inducer fan, could this control the gas output valve?

I guess Ill verify gas flow into the gas valve first, then go from there.

any ideas are appreciated.

Thermocoupler????

DRZ Charlie · 12-31-2012, 10:18 AM

What Wayno said

Spanky15 · 12-31-2012, 10:21 AM

Yeah...if it's a newer unit ...flame detector....or what Wayno and Charlie suggest...! No signal to main valve.

mdawg12 · 12-31-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DRZ Charlie

What Wayno said

Ditto!

mouthfulloflake · 12-31-2012, 10:46 AM

hot surface ignitor and thermo couple were rplaced last year.

the thermo couple senses flame and lets the gas keep flowing.

its never opening the gas on start up to allow any flame.

I just cleaned the NPC and verified with a meter, inducer flow switches it.

its a 10 year old unit, im looking up the honeywell control unit, to try and see whats out of the loop here.

Valentino Magoo · 12-31-2012, 10:53 AM

I suggest starting with cheapest, most easily broken part. My guess is the sensor for the ignitor. If it says the ignitor surface is not hot enough, it won't open the gas valve. Our commercial boiler at the farm gets a new sensor about every-other-year due to it's failure. Same symptom. I'd crawl under the house with you, but I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

mouthfulloflake · 12-31-2012, 10:57 AM

maybe I am not understanding what sensor you are referring to?

there are only 2 things in the burner area

a hot surface ignition ( glowey thing)

and a thermocouple ( flame sensor)

from my understanding, the control module opens gas valve for 4 seconds or so, if the flame sensor detects flame, then it leaves the valve open until the thermostat is satisfied.

In my situation, the valve is never opening.

glowey thing glows, then it goes out.

no flame

?

Spanky15 · 12-31-2012, 11:04 AM

I might swap thermocouple first... Do you get a primary flame....like a pilot flame...then the main in normal operation?

terrascout · 12-31-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Albie

LOL, I was like what the hell, why's this guy driving like 1 MPH.

Well everyone else keeps telling me to "slow down" so I thought I would try it. I slowed down enough to wave and point out the odd fellow on the motorcycle with "Eat Me" across the brim of his helmet to my passenger.

GMJinARK · 12-31-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tokyoklahoma

I've got some roofing and sheet-rock work that I need done.
Anybody know of someone good and honest?

Hey Tokyo,

If you find someone willing to do roof repairs, let me know. Everyone I have contacted claims to be too busy for repairs (or just flat turns away that type of business). However, they have plenty of time to replace my entire roof (to the tune of $10k).

12-31-2012, 10:05 AM	#57245
mouthfulloflake Not afraid Joined: Aug 2008 Location: N.W. Arkansas Oddometer: 11,254	ok just got back from under the house. when heater is turned on this happens. inducer fan starts blow hot surface ignitor begins to glow after 20 seconds, ignitor is turned off, and it starts over again. no gas flow I guess? there is a pressure valve diaphragm thingy on the side of unit with hose going to inducer fan, could this control the gas output valve? I guess Ill verify gas flow into the gas valve first, then go from there. any ideas are appreciated. __________________ "A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation." - H. H. Munro (Saki) (1870-1916)

12-31-2012, 10:18 AM	#57247
DRZ Charlie Old & beat up Joined: Nov 2008 Location: Fayetteville, AR Oddometer: 11,084	What Wayno said __________________ Ride, Crash, Visit the ER, Get a splint, Recuperate, Assess your mistakes, Repair Motorcycle, Gather courage to ride again, Ride, Rinse & Repeat My SPOT - No tracks = not riding \| Mapsource Tutorial \| Rides

12-31-2012, 10:21 AM	#57248
Spanky15 Dirt Slider Joined: Nov 2008 Location: Metropolitan Fort Gibson, OK Oddometer: 516	Yeah...if it's a newer unit ...flame detector....or what Wayno and Charlie suggest...! No signal to main valve. __________________ Spanky XV '08 KLR 650 Stock...mostly. '73 360 Astro '82 XR-500R '74 Ossa ...all Flattrackers

12-31-2012, 10:46 AM	#57250
mouthfulloflake Not afraid Joined: Aug 2008 Location: N.W. Arkansas Oddometer: 11,254	hot surface ignitor and thermo couple were rplaced last year. the thermo couple senses flame and lets the gas keep flowing. its never opening the gas on start up to allow any flame. I just cleaned the NPC and verified with a meter, inducer flow switches it. its a 10 year old unit, im looking up the honeywell control unit, to try and see whats out of the loop here. __________________ "A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation." - H. H. Munro (Saki) (1870-1916)

12-31-2012, 10:53 AM	#57251
Valentino Magoo Like a speeding slug Joined: Feb 2010 Location: Faytown, Arkansas Oddometer: 1,728	I suggest starting with cheapest, most easily broken part. My guess is the sensor for the ignitor. If it says the ignitor surface is not hot enough, it won't open the gas valve. Our commercial boiler at the farm gets a new sensor about every-other-year due to it's failure. Same symptom. I'd crawl under the house with you, but I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night. __________________ 12 WR 250R 05 Burgman 650 00 HD softtail

12-31-2012, 10:57 AM	#57252
mouthfulloflake Not afraid Joined: Aug 2008 Location: N.W. Arkansas Oddometer: 11,254	maybe I am not understanding what sensor you are referring to? there are only 2 things in the burner area a hot surface ignition ( glowey thing) and a thermocouple ( flame sensor) from my understanding, the control module opens gas valve for 4 seconds or so, if the flame sensor detects flame, then it leaves the valve open until the thermostat is satisfied. In my situation, the valve is never opening. glowey thing glows, then it goes out. no flame ? __________________ "A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation." - H. H. Munro (Saki) (1870-1916)

12-31-2012, 11:04 AM	#57253
Spanky15 Dirt Slider Joined: Nov 2008 Location: Metropolitan Fort Gibson, OK Oddometer: 516	I might swap thermocouple first... Do you get a primary flame....like a pilot flame...then the main in normal operation? __________________ Spanky XV '08 KLR 650 Stock...mostly. '73 360 Astro '82 XR-500R '74 Ossa ...all Flattrackers

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