How bright is too bright?

[guitarin]

My neighbor is one of those guys who loves to put lights and reflective tape all over his bike. I swear, some of this stuff he's pulling off crashed alien spaceships. His latest addition is a LED brake/running light module with programmable lighting/animation sequences. THIS THING WILL BURN THE RETINAS OUT OF YOUR EYES! I don't want to ride with him 'cause I'm afraid someone's gonna get out of their car at a traffic light and beat the hell out of us for blinding them. I'm all for being seen, but dang there's got to be a reasonable limit.

[Ceri JC]

The reasonable limit is up to the point where people flash their lights at you for dazzling them more than once every 100 miles.

[Racer111v]

I rode with a guy who had a spinning tail light thingy. After about an hour I had to tell him to replace it. From a distance it looked like he had left a blinker on. It was beyond distracting. It might have been safer for him , but not for me.
I do think the pulsing headlight is very effective, but I don't see them on the road very often anymore.

[pdxmotorhead]

In Oregon the law says brake lights shall not cause glare. FOr whatever that supposed to mean..

Seems like a "Gert pulled over for free card" for the cops.

Dave

[STUFF2C]

I have one of these a friend gave me, I haven't installed it "yet" for this same reason "riding with other bikes".
When I do get around to doing the install, I will have a courtesy cut off switch for riding buddies.

Originally Posted by guitarin

My neighbor is one of those guys who loves to put lights and reflective tape all over his bike. I swear, some of this stuff he's pulling off crashed alien spaceships. His latest addition is a LED brake/running light module with programmable lighting/animation sequences. THIS THING WILL BURN THE RETINAS OUT OF YOUR EYES! I don't want to ride with him 'cause I'm afraid someone's gonna get out of their car at a traffic light and beat the hell out of us for blinding them. I'm all for being seen, but dang there's got to be a reasonable limit.

[guitarin]

Originally Posted by pdxmotorhead

In Oregon the law says brake lights shall not cause glare. FOr whatever that supposed to mean..

Seems like a "Gert pulled over for free card" for the cops.

Dave

Did I mention that he is a cop?

[D R]

Originally Posted by guitarin

Did I mention that he is a cop?

Well, if the on-duty cop doesn't recognize him or his ride, he just might still get "pulled over for free."

[STUFF2C]

Always the biggest offenders

Originally Posted by guitarin

Did I mention that he is a cop?

[pretbek]

After target-fixation has a car dive into the back of the bike at 50 mph, it is time to start toning it down a bit.

[It'sNotTheBike]

Originally Posted by guitarin

Did I mention that he is a cop?

So, you ride with a person who uses equipment which may or may not be legal
and which might blind motorists ?

Do you even begin to grasp how stupid this sounds ?


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[guitarin]

Originally Posted by it'snotthebike

so, you ride with a person who uses equipment which may or may not be legal
and which might blind motorists ?

Do you even begin to grasp how stupid this sounds ?


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I agree

[Bucho]

Originally Posted by It'sNotTheBike

So, you ride with a person who uses equipment which may or may not be legal
and which might blind motorists ?

Do you even begin to grasp how stupid this sounds ?


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Yeah, because cops are somehow more perfect then other people.

[ttpete]

If you consider the brightness of some of the current LED car and truck rear lights, they're about the same as anything I've seen available for motorcycles. Considering this, the rear light on a motorcycle needs to stand out more so it doesn't get lost in all of the other rear lights at night.

If you don't want to be conspicuous, that's just fine. Actions always have consequences attached. We all know the universal excuse for killing a motorcyclist: "I didn't SEE him".

[Griffin44]

Originally Posted by ttpete

If you consider the brightness of some of the current LED car and truck rear lights, they're about the same as anything I've seen available for motorcycles. Considering this, the rear light on a motorcycle needs to stand out more so it doesn't get lost in all of the other rear lights at night.

If you don't want to be conspicuous, that's just fine. Actions always have consequences attached. We all know the universal excuse for killing a motorcyclist: "I didn't SEE him".

Just because many cars and trucks are being stupidly bright doesn't mean that the solution is for motorcycles to go solar in their brightness.

I don't want to change "I didn't see him" to "he/she blinded me, I couldn't determine his/her distance and position properly and I killed him/her due to target fixation" personally.

I don't think relying on other motorists seeing or hearing you is the way to ensure your safety on the road.

[ttpete]

Originally Posted by Griffin44

Just because many cars and trucks are being stupidly bright doesn't mean that the solution is for motorcycles to go solar in their brightness.

I don't want to change "I didn't see him" to "he/she blinded me, I couldn't determine his/her distance and position properly and I killed him/her due to target fixation" personally.

I don't think relying on other motorists seeing or hearing you is the way to ensure your safety on the road.

You don't believe conspicuity helps??? You don't CARE if drivers don't see you on the road? Wow.

It's not so much ultimate brightness, it's what the lights do. They appear to move and flash. They attract attention. By your reasoning, police, fire, and ambulances shouldn't have those intense flashing lights on them, either.

Lighting is only a part of being seen on a motorcycle. There are many more factors to consider, but anything that helps cut down on the hazards is welcome as far as I'm concerned.