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Old 01-09-2013, 01:33 AM   #28111
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My understanding is, Yugo (Zastava) used better steel and built better AK-type guns than any other nation. I may be partial to it, but if you put similar guns built on the same platform from several nations, you will see the difference for yourself... CZ (Czech), and CZ (Crvena Zastava - Yugo) are probably amongst highest quality.
Not sure it applies, but when I was reading up on SKS's, Yugoslavia did not have access to Chromium, therefore no chrome lined barrells. They had to make their firearms more robust than the other countries that made the same weapons. The down side was that they require more frequent cleaning than chrome lined weapons.

But I may be wrong, as this information was learned on the inter webz.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:47 AM   #28112
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Another thing to note, a lot of Yugo (and Czech) gunsmiths and machinists of the era were schooled in post war Germany. The equipment was also German built. Whereas, Bulgarians, Romanians and Poles were schooled by the Russians. *

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True, and likely why they kept the 8mm for their flavor for the "squad marksman rifle"

You also have to remember that Tito was no real big fan of Stalin, and was not going to just fall into line with what the ussr wanted.....they actually did have a battle plan if the same kind of thing went down that happened in Hungray in 1956....Tito made it real clear that would not happen in his country. Soviets knew it would not be a walk in the park with all those crazy slavs so they more or less left them alone.

I have an M57 and the fit and finish on that pistol is pretty darn nice....something that you would see in a store and you would think could be made today....a very well made hand gun.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:09 AM   #28113
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The very best military 98 Mausers were made at Brno in Czechoslovakia between the two world wars. I have some that were made for Persia in that time period, and the finish is comparable to the commercial ones.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:24 AM   #28114
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Thinking about muzzleloader for hunting (better tag chances).

Found a T/C Firehawk in .54 with a red dot and some other odds and ends for $400. Black thumbhole stock in stainless.

Doesn't look like that model is produced anymore, but is that a reasonable cost? Aside from the obvious differences in weight, is there an advantage/disadvantage in a .54 over the .50?

I know little about them in general.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:46 AM   #28115
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Thinking about muzzleloader for hunting (better tag chances).

Found a T/C Firehawk in .54 with a red dot and some other odds and ends for $400. Black thumbhole stock in stainless.

Doesn't look like that model is produced anymore, but is that a reasonable cost? Aside from the obvious differences in weight, is there an advantage/disadvantage in a .54 over the .50?

I know little about them in general.
Check your local laws first. I know my brother can't use in-line blackpowder guns for deer. I think some states set cal size limits also.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:02 AM   #28116
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Check your local laws first. I know my brother can't use in-line blackpowder guns for deer. I think some states set cal size limits also.
The PNW has some strange laws, but nothing too bad. No sealed breech, no pellet powder, no centerfire primers, no scope or assisted (fiber optic) sites. WA/OR/ID are all the same - rules to keep it more "real". Caliber is not an issue either - .50 cal or larger for elk and deer.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:31 PM   #28117
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What is it worth?






Just wondering what this might be worth. Got a guy wanting to trade an Inland M1 Carbine for it and just not looking to get burned on this.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:39 PM   #28118
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Just wondering what this might be worth. Got a guy wanting to trade an Inland M1 Carbine for it and just not looking to get burned on this.
Not too far apart really. I would put both around $650- depending on the shape that the M1 is in. YMMV.
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Old 01-09-2013, 06:29 PM   #28119
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THEY ARE GONNA BAN THEM ALL....wish list.

what, that you could actually go into a shop and buy, would you want right now assuming a serious ban actually happens?

i want a Browning A-bolt long range hunter laminate in 300 ultra mag.



and an STI Trojan.



both guns i'm pretty sure i'll still be able to buy in a year or two but ones i'd buy today if i thought i wouldn't.

what's on yer pre ban wish list?
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:18 PM   #28120
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Sorry, forgot this isn't CSM and my post was political. My bad...self-policed.
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:37 PM   #28121
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You really think you're going to be able to buy a sniper rifle like that Browning .300 ultra mag? When the lefties realize the US military is using calibers like that to make long-range hits you'll lose the ability to even think about owning one. I hope the lefties don't make the Remington 700 connection (the US military sniper rifle is based on one, or similar)! There is no need for civilians to have military weapons (like the rifle you want so much).

Also, you realize the 1911 was the US sidearm for decades? No reason you or I should be allowed to own military weapons!
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Old 01-09-2013, 07:53 PM   #28122
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Thinking about muzzleloader for hunting (better tag chances).

Found a T/C Firehawk in .54 with a red dot and some other odds and ends for $400. Black thumbhole stock in stainless.

Doesn't look like that model is produced anymore, but is that a reasonable cost? Aside from the obvious differences in weight, is there an advantage/disadvantage in a .54 over the .50?

I know little about them in general.
That seems a little high. Black powder rifles are fairly inexpensive, even going through big stores like Cabelas. I just saw a T/C 50 cal stainless w/camo on Cabelas web site for $299. If you look around, there are some CVA's that are even cheaper (if price is a major concern).

I have a .54 cal Knight that is a blast to shoot, but maybe not as versatile as a .50 cal. The .50 would be a little better for long range, especially if you are shooting the 150 gr powder loads and saboted bullets. 50 cal components are easier to find in the stores. Either caliber will work on game just fine.

I do enjoy the .54. Shooting 500+ gr maxi balls is some good fun!
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:15 PM   #28123
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seems high

Seems high to me too. Also, you can find .50 cal components cheaper. I'm not a big fan of red dots for hunting.
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That seems a little high. Black powder rifles are fairly inexpensive, even going through big stores like Cabelas. I just saw a T/C 50 cal stainless w/camo on Cabelas web site for $299. If you look around, there are some CVA's that are even cheaper (if price is a major concern).

I have a .54 cal Knight that is a blast to shoot, but maybe not as versatile as a .50 cal. The .50 would be a little better for long range, especially if you are shooting the 150 gr powder loads and saboted bullets. 50 cal components are easier to find in the stores. Either caliber will work on game just fine.

I do enjoy the .54. Shooting 500+ gr maxi balls is some good fun!
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:17 PM   #28124
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1911's can be dangerous but a Trojan is safe enough to fuck with


1911's and 700's.....no way. you ever hang out over at 1911forum? those fuckers are nuts...REVOLUTION!

i don't think anything 'll get banned, i'm just looking for ideas for what to buy next while i still have a blank check with the wife.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:19 PM   #28125
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i have a model 700 50 cal muzzle loader. here in nebraska the only rule is it has to load from the muzzle end. they're practically begging us to kill more whitetail.

50 or 54? 54 cal stuff is hard to find here. 50 you can buy anywhere and the deer don't seem to much care either way.
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