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Old 01-14-2013, 06:36 PM   #1
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Yammy Majesty, the perfect scoot?....for me?

I'm in the scoot market for Mrs. Samthg & me, but not for two-up. I'll be buying 2 scoots.

The 250 & under will not do it. I want to be able to venture out of town 100-150mi for overnight trips. This is gunna require some highway travel and 60mph won't work, gotta go faster than that just to keep up.

The weights of the maxi's is the same as my RT. The Majesty 400 is about 100 lbs less. The seat height is a plus at 29". Had the wife on a SYM at a couple inches taller and she straddled it ok.

The valve adjustment involvement is a concern.

I've been over to BMW a few times, but at $10k and 575lbs, I don't think so.

Guess i'm just fishing around for some reason to buy or not to buy.

What'd think??.....
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:03 PM   #2
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Why not?

I have had a 2007 Majesty 400 for nearly four years. It came to me with about 3600 miles.Now getting ready to turn over 16,000 it has not disappointed. I rode the belt to nearly 15k (12K is reccomended replacement) have replaced tires twice. Valve adjustment will probably be due at 20,000mi. When changing the belt we changed the rollers to sliders with slightly less weight.The scoot seems much quicker now.
My wife is an occasional passenger at best.She says the seating is not the most comfortable (a bit wide)but does fine for the timeshespends on the back.
Long range travel is no problem. My longest trip was 2000mi rt from NC to St. Louis and back for a maxi scoot rally. I really like the way the bike can be loaded.The split seat allows gear to be on the pillion seat and you to access the underseat storage.
My riding crew are on HD's for the most part. They HATE IT when I am in a "twist and go mood" and show up on the scoot instead of my Vulcan. When running out on the highway, they just shake their heads after seeing me keep the pace.
Guess you have figured I like the Maj.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:31 PM   #3
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My story: 81 years old. 40 years uninterrupted BMW bike owner. Last October sold my '05 R1200GS that had 180K miles. Getting old sucks. Balance and and legs are not the same. I did a 500 mile test ride on a Yamaha Tmax, and another 500 mile test ride on a Yamaha Majesty. It helps that I work part time in a HD/BMW/Yamaha/Ducati dealership. I picked the Majesty. Not much slower than the 500cc twin Tmax. MUCH lighter/handier. Performance: Very smooth cruising with the needle on 90 on the I'm sure optimistic speedometer. Nearby is a Interstate with a looong uphill piece, where smaller stickshift cars have to shift down. The Majesty holds 85mph all the way. I found a "used" (it was titled) '09 Majesty with 160 miles, got it in October. Did a few 300 mile day rides. Now it has 3500 miles. That in Maryland winter. I guess I like it.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:31 AM   #4
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Sounds like the Majesty will work just fine for you however a 250 or 300 will also work and will be a lot lighter. I did a 2100 mile, 8 state trip on my Aprilia Sport City 250 and that included a full day of interstate highway riding. The ride report is here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803404
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:29 AM   #5
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If you intend on doing some highway (not interstate, although the Majesty can handle it) riding, I would go with the Majesty. If your requirements are that you only occasionally go highway, a 250 will do. I had a Honda Reflex that I loved. The buffeting from a crosswind on high bridges was a bit unnerving. But then I got a Majesty and all is right with the world. I added slightly lighter (14gr) sliders, and ride 2-up in the NC mountains with no problem; cruise at an easy 65-70 for hours. Pretty simple maintenance if you are so inclined.

So a lot of scooters may suit. Best to try the ergonomics anyway, but my vote would be Majesty.

Edit: Klaviator, Read your ride report. Very nice, especially on a 250. Hope to take the Majesty up to Kentucky from SC this fall (2-up), and you have inspired me. Thanks.

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Old 01-15-2013, 02:50 PM   #6
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The Majesty is a nice scooter, but with an MSRP of $7,000, it would be about $9,500 OTD here. I know it is not a scooter, but when I consider spending such a large amount of money, I start thinking about bikes like the Honda CB1100, Triumph Bonneville T100, Moto Guzzi V7 Stone, etc. Apples and oranges yes. But why do scooters have to be so expensive.

Actually the biggest issue I have with the Majesty besides the price and depreciation is the valves. They are only due ever 26,000 miles, but the dealers here want almost $1000 to do them. You have to almost completely disassemble the scooter, including removing the engine. 26,000 miles would be about 2 - 2 1/2 years for me. At that point the $9500 scooter would be worth less than $3000, and I'd be looking at a $1000 valve job. (I can get 2 rebuilt heads for a small block Chevy for less than that) I could do the valves on almost any motorcycle myself. Somehow the economics of maxi scooters doesn't seem to make sense to me.
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:32 PM   #7
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Two valid major objections to the Majesty are the high initial MSRP and and the extreme depreciation of a used one. So put these two scenarios together and take advantage of it. Low mileage used ones are available at very good prices. I know, I got one. There has been no significant change to the Majesty from 2008 to 2012.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:22 PM   #8
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Two valid major objections to the Majesty are the high initial MSRP and and the extreme depreciation of a used one. So put these two scenarios together and take advantage of it. Low mileage used ones are available at very good prices. I know, I got one. There has been no significant change to the Majesty from 2008 to 2012.
Best way to buy right there.

My previous motorcycle I bought cheap with 10k on it. Kept it for 5+ years and put over 30k on it. Sold it for $500 less than I paid for it.

Take your time to look. If you buy it right you will never be in a bad spot financially with it.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:22 PM   #9
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I bought my 2006 in 2008 for about $3k. It had 660 miles. I'm at around 18500 miles.
You can check the Majesty forum site for info about the valve maint. I have read that is a valve check interval, not necessarily requiring adjustment. I've also read that the Burgman has shorter intervals between valve checks. Not sure how other scoots rank as far as their valve maintenance.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:08 PM   #10
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I have had a 2007 Majesty 400 for nearly four years. It came to me with about 3600 miles.Now getting ready to turn over 16,000 it has not disappointed. I rode the belt to nearly 15k (12K is reccomended replacement) have replaced tires twice. Valve adjustment will probably be due at 20,000mi. When changing the belt we changed the rollers to sliders with slightly less weight.The scoot seems much quicker now.
My wife is an occasional passenger at best.She says the seating is not the most comfortable (a bit wide)but does fine for the timeshespends on the back.
Long range travel is no problem. My longest trip was 2000mi rt from NC to St. Louis and back for a maxi scoot rally. I really like the way the bike can be loaded.The split seat allows gear to be on the pillion seat and you to access the underseat storage.
driller, this is the actual kinda info i'm searching for. Being new to scooters(I don't like that term, autocycle is better)i've got some learning to do. You mentioned 'rollers to sliders', I don't know YET what this is, but I will soon.

Any oil usage? My experience has been any thumper running for long periods of time is gunna drink it. As an ex-KLR owner I'm used to it.

I'm wondering about the windscreen. Have you remained stock or did you require a change. I run two different screens on my R100 depending on time of year.

I'm sure the Maj forum is gunna have tons of info, but ADV folk seem to cut to the chase a bit quicker. Thanks for the response.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:30 PM   #11
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My story: 81 years old. 40 years uninterrupted BMW bike owner. Last October sold my '05 R1200GS that had 180K miles. Getting old sucks. Balance and and legs are not the same. I did a 500 mile test ride on a Yamaha Tmax, and another 500 mile test ride on a Yamaha Majesty. It helps that I work part time in a HD/BMW/Yamaha/Ducati dealership. I picked the Majesty. Not much slower than the 500cc twin Tmax. MUCH lighter/handier. Performance: Very smooth cruising with the needle on 90 on the I'm sure optimistic speedometer. Nearby is a Interstate with a looong uphill piece, where smaller stickshift cars have to shift down. The Majesty holds 85mph all the way. I found a "used" (it was titled) '09 Majesty with 160 miles, got it in October. Did a few 300 mile day rides. Now it has 3500 miles. That in Maryland winter. I guess I like it.
Jeezus, you're an inspiration!

It is the top heaviness of my RT that is starting to get to me, that's what is driving me more towards a mid-scooter. It is night and day from my R100 to the RT. I'm relating the scoot to my R100 with the low center of gravity.

Since I get out to our local deserts quite often, my concern has been the hills. There is a grade from the Anza Borrego Desert that climbs up to northern San Diego County, and this has been my concern! I'm on that road a whole lot from Sept to May.

On another note, PM you've got me thinking about a fellow I had known for only a few years before he lost his battle with cancer. His name was Fred. Fred was in his mid 80's and rode BMW's for 40+ years, and was on his R90 just weeks before his death, all 110lbs of him. Every Saturday Fred would ride his 90 down to the local Harley dealer for their free hot dog give away. He would pull in on that 90, roll up to all the folks standing around and squeeze that 90 in, and say the same thing everytime.."Hey, is this where the good bikes park, or just Harley's?"

Thanks PM.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:37 PM   #12
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Sounds like the Majesty will work just fine for you however a 250 or 300 will also work and will be a lot lighter. I did a 2100 mile, 8 state trip on my Aprilia Sport City 250 and that included a full day of interstate highway riding. The ride report is here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803404
Great link klaviator. Last weekend I sat on the SYM300 which may or maynot be in the same class as the SC250. It sure did sit nice. The little i've researched so far leads me to think Aprilia has a fine reputation. Crap, I've got more homework.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:41 PM   #13
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I would agree, 400cc is the right size for what you describe. I would also include the Burgman 400 in your considerations. It is a proven design with an active support community and good dealer network, much like the Yamaha or Honda maxis. My wife and I tour, take a couple of weeks and go exploring through the Pacific Northwest, so our miles are mainly on highways. We have a pair of Burgman 650s, which we find perfect for the type of riding we like to do. A Burgman 400 would likely be just as suitable, but when we bought our bikes (2009) the only model with ABS was the Burgman 650 Executive. (The new Burgman 400 now also has ABS.) These things do depreciate quickly, much faster than some of the sellers realize. Watch craigslist for a used one or monitor the Burgman and Majesty forums for one coming on the market.

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Old 01-15-2013, 09:11 PM   #14
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driller, this is the actual kinda info i'm searching for. Being new to scooters(I don't like that term, autocycle is better)i've got some learning to do. You mentioned 'rollers to sliders', I don't know YET what this is, but I will soon.

Any oil usage? My experience has been any thumper running for long periods of time is gunna drink it. As an ex-KLR owner I'm used to it.

I'm wondering about the windscreen. Have you remained stock or did you require a change. I run two different screens on my R100 depending on time of year.

I'm sure the Maj forum is gunna have tons of info, but ADV folk seem to cut to the chase a bit quicker. Thanks for the response.
Considering the decals on the bikes and registration info say motorcycle, I consider scooters to be motorcycles. Just a subset like cruisers, sportbikes, baggers, whatever. Shouldn't be any oil usage as they are all 4-strokes. Windscreen is always a personal choice. Try it with stock and if that works fine, you're set. If not, get the best you can. The rollers/sliders are in the variator and can have an impact on acceleration, top speed and mpg. The Yamaha or the Suzuki are both very good choices and well made. The only one Honda has in the big scooter range is the Silverwing. Nice bike but if you don't need the extra engine size, save the $$.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:29 PM   #15
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I would also include the Burgman 400 in your considerations.
Funny how things go. I hadn't even thought of Suz because, like most, I only think of their Burg 650. So since your response, I was running around today and ended up in LA Cycle Sports. They had a '12 400 on the floor. $7599 out the door. Nice enough sales fellow said there is NO negotiation! Anything lower than that price, would not even be considered, so I told him adios. But I did sit on it and it felt pretty darn good.

Then I'm in the gas station this evening, and what pulls up to the pump right next to me, yep, Burg 400. I never see scoots in gas stations. What are the odds of the very bike I looked at just a few hours earlier, pulls up???? His was an '09. He seemed to be pretty happy with his, 75 mph all day long.

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