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Old 01-12-2013, 11:05 AM   #18721
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Well, since we're off topic any way:

First, I'm armed a large percentage of the time too, but this was NOT a situation to pull a gun. And just because you're right doesn't mean you're not in for a huge hastle....

For example, when I was the Deputy Staff Judge Advocate for the Military District of Washington the following situation arose. Female SP4 who lived in Maryland was separated from her Marine Cpl husband. He was stationed at Quantico. He was on restriction to the Base because he had beaten her - a few times. He gets off base, and climbs to the third floor balcony of her apartment. Breaks in with the help of the bayonet he is carrying. She yells at him to get out (while pointing her 5 shot .357 revolver at him), he being a Marine (sorry had to get SOME little jab at the Marines in), tries to rush her. She shoots him. 5 times. Whereupon he dies. She calls 911. The idiot police arrest her. She spends the night in jail and is "returned to military custody" whereupon I order her to go home, chill, come in to work in the morning - or take some leave as she sees fit.

Prince William County prosecutor calls me and asks what we are going to do with her. I allow as how we are going to do nothing, seems like open and shut self defense to me.

He says "But she shot him 5 times!"

I said, "She only had five rounds in the gun."

He was not amused, took it to a Grand Jury! I could not believe it. Anyway after lots more hassle and heartache for her, the Grand Jury refused to return a true bill. But damn!
And you expected something different from a lib Maryland prosecutor?

Up here in MI, the shooter has, by law, an affirmative defense. Burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that the shooter WASN'T in fear of his life or serious injury. Justifiable shooters also have civil immunity from lawsuits.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:52 PM   #18722
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Well, since we're off topic any way:

First, I'm armed a large percentage of the time too, but this was NOT a situation to pull a gun. And just because you're right doesn't mean you're not in for a huge hastle....

For example, when I was the Deputy Staff Judge Advocate for the Military District of Washington the following situation arose. Female SP4 who lived in Maryland was separated from her Marine Cpl husband. He was stationed at Quantico. He was on restriction to the Base because he had beaten her - a few times. He gets off base, and climbs to the third floor balcony of her apartment. Breaks in with the help of the bayonet he is carrying. She yells at him to get out (while pointing her 5 shot .357 revolver at him), he being a Marine (sorry had to get SOME little jab at the Marines in), tries to rush her. She shoots him. 5 times. Whereupon he dies. She calls 911. The idiot police arrest her. She spends the night in jail and is "returned to military custody" whereupon I order her to go home, chill, come in to work in the morning - or take some leave as she sees fit.

Prince William County prosecutor calls me and asks what we are going to do with her. I allow as how we are going to do nothing, seems like open and shut self defense to me.

He says "But she shot him 5 times!"

I said, "She only had five rounds in the gun."

He was not amused, took it to a Grand Jury! I could not believe it. Anyway after lots more hassle and heartache for her, the Grand Jury refused to return a true bill. But damn!
Damn... and she was supposed to do what to the guy that climbed a building with a bayonet to confront her? Talk the bayonet out of his hand? Prosecutors and legislators need to walk in someone's shoes before deciding what is or is not prudent in a given situation. I view most prosecutors and politicians as hypocritical dullards who have a myopic view of the very large world we live in.

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Old 01-12-2013, 12:56 PM   #18723
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Damn... and she was supposed to do what to the guy that climbed a building with a bayonet to confront her? Talk the bayonet out of his hand? Prosecutors and legislators need to walk in someone's shoes before deciding what is or is not prudent in a given situation. I view most prosecutors and politicians as hypocritical dullards who have a myopic view of the very large world we live in.

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Most prosecutors are there because they couldn't hack it as defense attorneys, even though they'd make a lot more money doing so.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:02 PM   #18724
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If it was my gear and bike, I would have asked him WTF he was doing by running full speed at him and tackling him. It might not be the best way, but...
How good an idea that is is related to waist size.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:16 PM   #18725
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How good an idea that is is related to waist size.
I have no idea what that means. it struck me as funny though.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:26 PM   #18726
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And you expected something different from a lib Maryland prosecutor?

Up here in MI, the shooter has, by law, an affirmative defense. Burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that the shooter WASN'T in fear of his life or serious injury. Justifiable shooters also have civil immunity from lawsuits.
As it should be!

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PS Wait, is this still the Killboy thread?
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:08 PM   #18727
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As it should be!

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PS Wait, is this still the Killboy thread?
It's turned into the "KillAnIdiot" thread.
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:30 PM   #18728
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It's turned into the "KillAnIdiot" thread.
We gotta talk about something... Killboy ain't posting pix.
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Old 01-15-2013, 11:22 AM   #18729
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I looked it up also, hard to believe the guy was WEARING the stolen gear and was not arrested. If it was my gear and bike, I would have asked him WTF he was doing by running full speed at him and tackling him. It might not be the best way, but...
Yabbut- he'd be wearing your gear, which means you wouldn't be wearing any gear. How smart is that?
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Old 01-15-2013, 04:57 PM   #18730
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Yabbut- he'd be wearing your gear, which means you wouldn't be wearing any gear. How smart is that?
Oh trust me, if I tackle someone, the gear is not going to make it painless for them.
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:22 PM   #18731
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Old 01-15-2013, 05:39 PM   #18732
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This thread tastes like Diet Jo Momma.
without the pictures.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:02 PM   #18733
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Oh trust me, if I tackle someone, the gear is not going to make it painless for them.
Well gear doesn't usually include an athletic cup, so I'd probably start there...
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:04 PM   #18734
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Prince William County prosecutor
HA! Paul Ebert right? He is an asshole but an affective prosecutor...for the state

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And you expected something different from a lib Maryland prosecutor?
Uhhh, that's liberal Virginia prosecutor to you! Had to look it up, He is a Democrat.

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When he was first elected back in 1968, he was the commonwealth’s youngest prosecutor, and now at 73 he is the senior-most.
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Lorena Bobbitt...Knife expert.

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John Muhammad...sniper.

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It's turned into the "Killtheboy" thread.
Fixed!


I was going to post a killboy pic but can't seem to find the ones without the name across the whole pic.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:06 PM   #18735
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Oh trust me, if I tackle someone, the gear is not going to make it painless for them.
I can vouch for this comment!

Hi Skyclad! It was good to see you at the RTE!
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